NASA-UAP-D021, Gemini 7 Technical Debriefing, 1965
- Date of account
- 1965
- Location
- Cape Kennedy, Florida
- Source
- uap_archive
- Record updated
- 2026-10-10
Record summary
This document is a preliminary transcript derived from voice recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing conducted December 19-21, 1965, at the Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida. Lights and flashes are mentioned and there is discussion about having proper illumination for vehicle docking. Borman and Lovell discuss celestial and terrestrial observational anomalies and note sightings of Mercury, meteors, aurora, and lightning. They also discuss not being able to see any stars once the Sun comes up.
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Source text · mention onlyI Authority: NW 91526 \ GEMINI VII TECHNICAL DEBRIEFING December 23, 1965 NOTICE: This document may be exempt from public disclosure under the Freedom of lnfor• mation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its re lease to persons outside the U. S. Government should be handled under the provisions of NASA Policy Directive 1382.2.
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Source text · mention onlyPREFACE This preliminary transcript was made from voice tape recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing conducted December 19 through December 21, 1965 at the Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida. Although all the material contained in this transcript has been rough edited, the urgent need for the preliminary t ranscript by mission analysis personnel precluded a final edit prior to its publ icat ion .
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Source text · mention onlyParagraph 1.0 2.0 e TABLE OF CONTENTS Page Number COUNTDOWN 1.1 Crew Insertion . ...................... ............. . 1 1.2 Comm:un.ications . .......•.•.. .......•...........•..• . 1 l.3 Crew Participation in Countdown.................... l l.4 Comfort . .................. .......................• .1 l.5 Environmental Control System ...............•..•.... 2 l.6 Sounds . ..•...•••.••..•.••• •••..•••••••••••••••••••• 2 l.7 Vibrations ........................ ................. 2 1.8 Visual . .................... ........................ 2 l.9 Crew Station Controls and Displays ................. 3 POWERED FLIGHT 2.1 Lift -Off cues·••·••••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••3 2.2 Roll Program . .................. .................... 4 2.3 Pitch Program. . .........•............. .............. 4 2.4 Aerod.y"namics • ••••••••••••.•.• •••••••••••••• •••• •••• 5 2.5 Environmental Control System ....... .•...........••. 5 2.6 Maximum q . ........................... .............. 5 2.7 W indsheaz- ......•......•.....••......• •....•...••.•• 6 2.8 DCS Upd.ates • •••.•.••..•......••.. ••.•••.•••••••. • •• 6 2.9 :Engine 1 Operation . . . ........... ................... 6 2.10 :Engine 2 Status . ..................... ...... ..... ... 7 2.11 Acceleration g's••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••7 2.12PO G0.......•........•...•.. •.....•...••.•...•.•..•. 7 2.13 Guidance Initiation ............. ... .. .............. 7 2 .14 BECO • •.•.•••..••...•..•...........•...••..•. •...••. 8 2 .15 Stagi.ng' . ..... . .......... . ,. ... o ••• •••••••••••••••••• 8 2 .16 E]ngin.e 2 Ignition . ................ ................. 9 2.17 RGS Initiate.•••••••••••••••••• ••••••••• •••••• •••• •9 2.18 GO/NO GO e1 • •• • • •• •• • • •• • •••••••••••• • • ••••••••••••••9 2.19 Systems Status•••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••9 2.20 Accelerati on o• •••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••lO 2.21 Fairing Jettison •••• • •• • ~••••·•••••••••••• ••• •• ·••10 INSERTION 3.1 Post-SEC0...............•.... ..................... 10 3.2 SECO plus 30 seconds ....•..•.. ••.................• 11
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Source text · mention only14.0 TRAINI NG 14.1 Gemini Miss i on S imulator ...........••••••• 185 14. 2 DCPS (Launch abort simul at or) ....•.••••••• 191 14. 3 MAC Engineeri ng Simul ator ........••.••.••• 191 14.4 Transl ation and Docking Tr ainer ...•.•••••• 192 14 . 5 Plane t ari um. . ........................••••• •193 14. 6 Systems Brief inga ...............•.•••••••• 194 14 . 7 Flight Experiments .............••.•••••••• 198 14. 8 Spacecr a f t sys t ems tests .......••.•••••••• 202 14.9 Egress t r aining ....................••.•••• 204 14.1 0 Parachute Tr a ining ..•.........•...•.•••••• 205 14.11 Launch simul ationa .................••••••• 206 14.1 2 Reentry simulations ..........•........•••. 206 14.1 3 Simul ated ne twork simulations ...•..••••••• 206 14.1 4 Ne twork s imul a tions .............•..••••••• 206 14.1 5 Fl ight Plan t r a i ning ...............••.••.• 207 15. 0 CONCLUDING COMMENTS...•....••........•........... 208
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Source text · mention only- - LANDING AND RECOVERY 7.1 Impact . ........... ... . ...••.•. •. •.•••••• • • • • • • • • • 54 7.2 Checklists . ....... ....................... • • • • • • • • 55 7.3 Communicatione..••......•••••••••.••.•.••••.•.••• 55 7.4 Systems Configuration .•••••··••••••••••••••••••••58 7.5 Spacecraft Status.••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••59 7.6 Postlanding Activity ..............•.............. 62 7.7 Comi•ort . ...•............•..••••• •.•.••.••••...••• 63 7.e Recovery Force Personn el ..•.....•... •..•.......... 63 7.9 F.g"ress • .••.•. • •••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••• 63 7.10 S1.lrVival Gear . ..•............•....... .........•.. 63 7.11 Crew Pick UP••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••64 8.0 SYSTEMS OPERATION 8.1 Plat form ...... . •....... .......................... 64 8.2 O.AMS • .• ••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••• 65 0.3 RCS . ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • • ••• • • • • ••• • • 73 e.4 ECS . ..........•.••..•..... ..•................ • ... 75 0.5 Commun.ications . .............................. .... 91 8.6 Electrical . ..................................... . 95 0.7 Onboard Computer..•.........•••••••.....•••...• .• 99 0.0 Crew Station ...•.............•..•.. ..•.......... 101 0.9 Biomedical ....•••••••...•.••.••.••.•• .••.•....•. 115 OPERATIONAL CHECKS 9.1 Apollo Landmark Investigation •••.•..•.•.....•... 122 9.2 Cabin Lighting Surv ey.••• •••• •••••••••••••••••••130 9.3 HF' Test .•• •••• ••.••.•••• •• •••·••••••••.•••••• •.. 130 1O.O VISUAL SIGHTINGS 10.1 Cou.ntdo"Wll • •••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• •131 10 .2 Powered Flight••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••l31 10.3 Orbital Flight.••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••132 10.4 Reentry . ...•••.•.•..•..• ••...•..•..•.......... .138
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Source text · mention onlyInser tion Act ivities ............................ 15 Post Station Keeping ...........•................ 17 ORBITAL FLIGHT . ..............••.•................... . 18 5.0 RETROFIRE 5.1 TR-2:00 Power Up and Alignment Checklists ....... 32 5. 2 TR-26 Events ............•.....•..••..•.......•.. 33 5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Clock .........•................... 34 5.4 TR- 256 .................... • • • • •. • • •. • •. • .. •. • • • .34 5. 5 TR- 1 . •• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •• • .34 5. 6 TR-0. • • ••• • • •. • • •• •. • • •• • • • • •• •. • • •••• • • • • • •• • • • 35 5. 7 Retropack Jettison .............................. 40 5.8 Commwiicatione .................................. 41 5.9 Updating ........................................ 41 5.1 0 Post Retro Jettison Checklist ................... 42 6.0 REENTRY 6.1 Reentry Parameters Update ....................... 42 6.2 400 K . ••••••.•••.••••••••••• • • • • • • • • • • • •••••••• •43 6.3 Acceleration Profile ...•..•...•................. 47 6.4 Spacecraft Control .••.....•..................... 47 6.5 100 K . ....••.•.•....•..•............•... ~ ....... 48 6.6 50 K . ...••..............••...•••................ 48 6.7 35 K Checklist .••.•..•..•..•.•..••..•.•......... 49 6.8 Comm'W'l.icationa ••.•.•••••.••..••••••••••...•.•... 49 6.9 26 K Checklist •• •••••·••••••••••••••••••••••••••49 6.10 10.6 K Barostat .................•.....•......... 50 6.11 Main Check Deployment •...............•.......... 51 6.12 Post Main Checklist ............................. 51 6.13 Single Point Release •...•••.••.•..•...••••...... 51 6.14 2 K Checklist .•........•........................ 52 6 .15 LBlldiilg . ..........•...•......................... 52 6.16 Postlanding Checklist ..•..•....••....•....•..•.• 52 6.17 Blood Pressure Measurement..•.•...•..•........•• 53
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Source text · mention only11.0 EXPERIMENTS 11.1 Celestial, Space, and Terrestrial Radiometry (D-4/D-7)•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••140 11.2 Star Occulation Measurement (D-5) •...•.....• 146 11.3 Simple Navigation (D-9) ..................... 148 11.4 Visua l Acuity and Astronaut Visibilit y and Vision Test (M-9 ) ....................... 154 11.5 Synoptic terrain (S-5) and weather (s-6) photograph.y••••..••.••.•••....••••.••••••••• 158 11.6 Proton Electron Spectrometer and Tri-Axis Flux-Gat e Magnetometer (MSC-2 and MSC-3) ...• 160 11.7 Optical communications (MSC-4 ) .............. 161 11.8 Landmark Contrast ..•....•........•.......... 165 11.9 Cardi ovascular reflex conditioning (M-1 ) .... 166 11.10 In-flight exercises (M-3) ................... 167 11.11 In-flight phonocardiogram (M-4) and In-flight sleep analysis (M-8) .............. 167 11.12 Bioassay body fluids (M-5) and calcium balance study (M-7) ................. 168 11.13 Miscellaneous ......•.......................• 172 12.0 PREMISSION PLANNING 12.l Mission Plan (trajectory ) ...........•....... 175 12.2 Flight Plan.••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••175 12.3 Spacecraf t C hanges •..•...................... 176 12.4 Mission Rules ............. .. ......•. .. ...... 177 12,5 Experiments ••.•..•••••.•...•......•...•....• 177 13.0 MISSION CONTROL 13.1 GO/NO GO' s ••••••••.••.••.•••••.•••....••...• 179 13,2 PLA and CLA updat es•••••••••••••••••••••••••l7913. 3 Consuma.bles.............•.•...•..........••. 180 13.4 Flight Plan changes.••••••••••••••••••••••••181 13. 5 Systems . ....................•.............. . 182 13.6 Experiments real-time updatea ...•......••.•• 184
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Source text · mention only.... 1.0 COUNTDOWN 1.1 Crew Insertio n Borman I have no comment. I though t it went ve~y well. Lovell Likewise, no comment on crew insertion. I think we got quite a. bit done. It was very order ly. Borman Timing was good and it was done properly. 1.2 Communications Borman Communications were good. I had no troub l e a t al l. Lovell I had no trouble with communications in the cockpi t or the spacecraft, but the communications in the va.n from the suiting area t o the other area a.re rather poor. Maybe we should try to get that improved sometime . 1.3 Crew Participation in Countdown Borman Again, I think they have been used on 4 or 5 l aunches, and I thought they were fine. Lovell Right. Countdown procedure and crew participation is just what you expect now. 1.4 Comfort Borma.n Comfort was fine. No problems? Lovell No problems for comfort , but I was surprised when I got in the cockPi t, becaus e there was a lot more the re than there was when I got in it for the stowage rev iew. But, it a ll turned out for t he best . No problems.
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Source text · mention only2 1.5 ECS Borman ECS worked fine. We had no trouble with ECS at all during prelaunch or launc h. Lovell That is true. The purge was a lot slower and it was just perfect for the final countdown. It was too fast for the SIM Flight, which we went through, a.nd I got an ee.:r block age. For the countdown, it was ju.st r ight . Very slow. 1.6 Sounds Borman We had been well briefed on a ll the soundsz the gimbaling, pre - valve, a.nd erector. As a matter of fact, when the erec tor started down there was no sound. We had been told that probably there might be a clanking or something. I hes.rd nothing. Lovell All I saw was the sky. 1.7 Vibrations Borm8ll Vibrations. No comment. I had no problems. Lovell Is this liftoff vibrations? Borman No, this is countdown . Vibr ations of the spacecraft during coun tdown. Lovell No, nothing we had not heard before. 1.8 Visual Lovell The windows were perfeot. We had no fogging. Borman No fogging.
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Source text · mention only--- .. 3 Lovell The windows were heated previous l y as a result of 51 s pro bl ems, and our windows, I t hought , were perfectly clean. Didn 1 t you? Borm8J'l Right. 1.9 Crew Stat i on Contro l s a.nd Displays Lovel l No comment . Exactly how we had pl anned it for months. Borma.n Exact l y t he way that we had seen it, and no prob l ems. 2.0 POWERED FLIGHT 2.1 Liftoff Cues Borman Stoney came in loud e.nd cl ea.r, counting the countdown. Lovell Cs.me in loud and cl ear. :Borman We lmew exactly when i t was, and I for one had absolutely no question in my mind when we lifted off. It felt like I had been t ied back, a.nd someone cut the string a.nd there was a slow but definite acceleration at lift-off. Lovell I thought you could just about put 01P COMM, V1bration, and noise toget her, because the moti on, vibrati on, and noise all contributed to a definite knowledge that you were going somepl ace. Borman In other words, what you are saying is that you had no pro blems determining lift-off. Lovell No, it went. Borma.n Okay vibration wa.s nominal during l ift-off. Again, perhaps
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Source text · mention only4 it is because we were so well briefed on the simulations we have run, but I had no problems. Lovell There was a little more noise than I expected, but a little less vibration. Borman Jim said there was a little more noise than he expected. Even so,, it was not oppressive, or a problem at all. Visual. I did not have any visual cues. I was watching the instru ments. 1What about you, Jim. Did you pick up any? Lovell I had the clouds, end there was a visual cue. Just normal cloud cues . Borman Cockpit displays were good. The fuel pressure and oxidizer pressure were nominal the whole flight. Just perfect. 2.2 Roll Program Borman The roll program, was so short it was almost like a spike• We hardly even noticed the roll program. Did you Jim? Lovell I did not notice it at all. I heard you call it out, but I did not notice it. Borman I called it out , but we only rolled,I think,about 2 or 3°. 2.3 Pitch Program Borman The pitch program started just as in the simulator, which is very accurate on this. It looked exactly the same on the ball, and there wae no problem. Lovell The pitch program for the RGS followed exactly what the IGS -~ ' ..... -- -... , .
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Source text · mention only5 was giving for the entire l aunch. The needles were just matched perfectly--nulled. I did not see any unusual atti tudes that some of the other people commented on. 2.4 Aerodynamic Borman Age.in , we had had this described to us ma.ny times, and it seemed to follow right along. In the maximum q region we got some vibration and noise, but after we got through maximum q it was just like going supersonic in a fighter. You just slip through, and from then on it was just l ike riding on a train. Lovell I don't think it was bad either. 2.5 :ms Lovell Pressure went up to 5.5 in the initial stoppage, and it slowly leaked down to 5.1, and stayed there. Borman I was cool during lift-off. Lovell I was too. Comfortable. Borman Comfortable. I mean cool in the sense that it means comfor table. Of course we can not very well comment on the cabin atmosphere because we were sealed. 2. 6 Maximum q Borman We ha.ve already discussed this. There was some noise build up and some vibration, but nothing to worry at all about or even discuss .
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Source text · mention only6 2.7 Wind shear Borman Wind s hear. I did not notice any. Lovell I did not notice a:ny wind shear either . Borman You could not see any on you att itude gauges either, could you? Lovell No, that is what I mean. Borman The a tti tude gauges stayed pegged. Right? Lovell They stayed nulled throughout the entire flight. I was a.ma.zed a t the acc uracy with which the RGS was following the IGS program. 2.8 DCS Update s Lovell Ca.me through on schedule . Borman No problem? Lovell No trouble. Borman Have any trouble punching the ligh t ? Lovell After the second upda.te, about 2:23 ,the g1 s are too ~igh to let you punch off the l ight . So , you have to wai t for staging, and t hen punch the l ight. 2.9 Engine 1 Operation Borman Engine 1 oper ation, I thought, was norma.l. But I did not i ce a sl ight hint of a POGO a.round a.bout, I would est i mate, two minutes. The slightest, faintest hint. I do not think J im even noticed it.
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Source text · mention only7 Lovell Borman Borman Lovell Borma.n Borman Lovell I did not notice any POGO. 2,10 Engine 2 Status It seemed to me that from about 3 minutes and 30 seconds to a.round 4 minutes, the noise and the feel was a little bit different than it was a.fter that, as if it was vibrating & little bit more. But this was sort of, a.gain, a sensing type thing, The inatrwnents were all nominal, a.nd it may have just been me, I certainly ca.n not complain about the operation, 2.11 Acceleration g's J.ny- problems, Jim? No problems. They were pretty nominal, weren I t they? I could not see the g meter. They were right on the money. And, of course, the g's we ha.ve are all experienced in the centri.fuge , and so on. One thing , when the g's dropped a t staging and at SECO I had no sensation of tumbling and no sensation of disorientation. Nothing at all. 2.12 POGO I 've mentioned that I detected a slight hint of one tha.t was so smal l we cannot even really discuss it. 2.13 Guidance Initiation We had a guidance initiation. It was in the form of booster
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Source text · mention only8 yaw deflecting downward, more so than booster pitch deflec ting. Booster pitch deflected sl i ght ly t o the right, indi cating, at guidanc e initiation, a booster-high trajectory. But, they both came right back to null jus t after guidance initiation, and that was it. Borman We did not have the feeling that we were lofted, and then a sudden pitch down. Lovell No , th9re was no change of booster performance at all. It was just t hat the needles deflected at guidance initi ation to say that we had gui dance initiation, and after that they nulled and stayed that W83' from there on. 2.14 BECO Borman At BECO, the whole spacecraft was engulfed in a red flame . I noticed that out of the corner of my eyes. Jim, you probably had a better view than I did. Lovell Yes. Flames came up thP. side there to the window. Borman There was a definite, very brief instant of it, probably in the order of milliseconds , but it did envelope the space craft and I, in my own mind, wonder if this is not the plac e where we are picking up some of the smudge on t he window. 2.15 Stagins- Lovell Well, I did not notice any smudge at the time of staging. Slayton You did not notice any? Lovell I did not notice any . Of course, things were going pret ty fast. I did notice it after we got into o=bit, but not at
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Source text · mention only9 Eorma.n Lovell :Borman :Borman Lovell :Borman Borman Lovell :Borman that particu l ar time. 2.16 Engine 2 Ignition Again, it is so well simulated that- It is very smooth. It is ve:ry smooth, a.nd away you go. 2.17 RGS Initiate Wel l, we have talked about that. Yes, that is what I was talking about back p.!'eviously. 2.18 GO/NO GO GO/NO GO. Houston, on the ground, came through great. We got a GO/NO GO before the 30 seconds we were waiting £or spacecraft separate. So, we knew we were in good shape before we ever had the possibility we would have to burn. Of course, we also had the IVI's onboa.rd and they are very good also. 2.19 Systems Status The systems were all great. No problem, during powered flight. We got two del t a Plights. Oh, yes, that is right. We are talking about spacecraft systems. We got delta P light on BECO in the first stage that went off at staging, then came back on during second stage flight, and then the
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Source text · mention only10 :::action 2 delta Plight did not go out a.nd it was ••• Lovell No, J:ection 1 went on and out again during the £light. It went out at, I think it went out at SECO. Borman That is right. Lovell But 'Section 2 came on and we saw that one £or the nex t 14 days. 2.20 Acceleration Borman Acceleration during stage 2 was right on the money, right on the program. I read of£, I think i t was about six a.nd a I half g a maximum. We read this off after SECO. 2.21 Fairing Jettison Borman Fairin g Jettison, I did not even hear it. I was concentra ting on the horizon , trying to get set for turning around. Jim j ettisoned the fairing and punched the Spacec raft SEP. I did not see a.nything or hear a.nything. Lovell I saw debris and heard it and had a definite knowledge that a squib had gone off. There had been an explosion. 3.0 INSERTION 3.1 Post SECO Borman Maneuver controller was easy to reach. I had it out, and there was no problem. It came out and was ready to go. Attitudes and rates, there were none. The thing was as solid a.a a rock as far as I could determine. I was watching
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Source text · mention only11 the horizon, and the attitude remained constant a.nd the rates were so minimal you could not even pick them up. I noticed no transients, we experienced no·•·•••••~•• as far as I know that was discernible. Lovell Did you try to damp out the .. Borman There was nothing to damp out. Lovell Okay. :Borman In fact, I did not use the thrusters at all for that. I t just sat there. 3.2 SECO pl us 30 seconds Lovell I have the IVI readings on a. ca.rd. Do you have those- cards that we took off? :Borman Yes. Lovell I am sorry. We did not get forward-aft, left-right, u.p or down because they were so quick, and I was trying to get the camera. But it was 17 1n the fore and a.ft wmdow, 13 in the left-right, and up and down was 20. Borman What do you mean. you did not get them? They a.re there. Lovell No, I did not know a.ft or forwa.rd, or left or right, or up or down. :Borman Oh, I see. Lovell I just saw th&t they were so small tha.t I just wrote down the numbers as a ...
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Source text · mention only12 Borman 17, 30, and 20. There might have been a 13, 17, a.nd 20... Lovell About what the numbers ca.me up with. Borman Spacecraft separation. We separated with minimum delay be tween thrusting and Spacecraft SEP. Jim actuated the space craft separation. I did not hear the thrusters firing. I could not hear them; and I did not even helU' spacecraft separation, but -- Lovell I heard Spacecraft SEP, but I o·ould not hear the thrusters firing. But you told me you were firing the thrusters-- Borman I ea.id th.rusting a.nd SEIP Spacecraft a.nd we did it and away we went. I thrusted for about 2 seconds. Almost immedi ately, as soon as we had £inished thrusting, I started a yaw right 180°, and the rates were right around, I think a.round --Of course, you should be able to pick this up off telemetry, but I would estimate they were 3° to 4° per second turning around. As soon as I ha.d the booster in sight, I thrueted be.ck 5 seconds. This is the way we tried in silllulations, The simulations in St. Louis were exce llent. Lovell Turned out that was the best technique to use, 2 seconds for the 2 seconds forward a.nd a 5 second return. Borman We turned around a.nd there it was, bigger than the devil! Lovell At that distance there was no problem staying in there. Borman Now, I did have some problem because the booster was bending
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Source text · mention only13 so rapid l y. It wa.s tremendous. It looked like one of the autogenous lines ha.d been cut. I guess it was cut with a pyro, a.nd it was really bending and this was causing it to translate as well as rotate. And in order to stay wit h it, I was having to use quite a bit of fuel; although it was certainly a nominal task. I also went through severa l con tro l modes switchings. I sta:rted out in PULSE and I could not get around fast enough, so I went to DIRECT a.nd then slowed it up in RA.TE COMMAND. Slowed up the direct rate I was using with RATE COMMAND, a.nd left it in RATE COMMAND without using the h&nd controller for a while. Finally went to l'LATFOBM. When I went to PLA.'f.E'OHM~ we had been off to one side of the booster. ~ . L went to PLATFORM, · it yawed me back around, and I lost sight of the booster . .SO we went out of PLATFORM· and flew t he rest of it in PULSE Mo~e using the reticle on the horizon for stabilization and using the maneuver contro ller for thrust. This is all on onboard tape,incidentally. The air to ground communications, throughout the f light were superior. Lovell I was really a.mazed a.t the communications, especially the primary station. The UHF was outstanding. Borman We have already discussed GO/NO GO. They came through loud and clear before we ever SEP spacecraft. We had no need for
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Source text · mention only14 a velocity correction. Lovell As a matter of fact, right now would be a good time to men tion that address 72 read -- Borman Nominal was 25 804 and address 72 read 25 804. Lovell Can you imagine that? Right t o th~ · foot! 25 804. I could not believe it when I punched it up. Borman The orbit quantities were given to us, I think,by Bermuda.. 0£ course, at this time we really were not interested in them, although they were sort of nice in.formation. We had a GO/NO GO. Lovell It was 87-178 the initial forward quantity that was called up to ue. Borman Tha l'!1JU readouts : Jim read 72 and when he saw it was 25, 804, we had a GO/NO GO from the ground. I do not believe you even rea4 the rest of them out, did you? Lovell No, I did not bother reading out the rest of the addresses 94, 97, 52, or 73, because I saw the 72 nominal. I saw the IVI's were right in there so we did not bother reading out anything else. Borman Debris • I did not notice a:ny debris. Lovell I noti-od debris. I was looking out at Spacecraft SEP and Jet Fairing, and noticed debris. I also noticed debris be t ween the spacecraft and booster when we first turned around.
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Source text · mention only15 Borman Could you identify any type of the debris? Lovell No, pieces.That is all I could tell . 3.3 Insertion activities Lovell We followed the regular procedure. Borman We did not have s;ny problem with safing our switches. No problem. I did not even stow my D-ring at insert ion. I was too busy trying to stay on the booster, and I did not get it stowed for the first orbit,I guess,or half an orbit. Lovell What we planned on doing was getting pictures of the D-ring. I got the br&cket up at staging, and I actually had a minute after guidance initiate to reach back there and get the bracket and stick it up. It worked out very nicely before the g's started building up again on second stage. The bracket was up and in place s;nd no problem at all. Then at SECO, I went around to pick up the camera, because we had the camera. stowed where the Agena control bq..x ie l ~oated., I managed to get the camera up, and it was already plugged into the electric&l wire. ill I had to do was turn the auxiliary switch on, put it on the bracket, and push the button, and it started taking pictures. Just about that time, Frank mentioned be was going to start thrusting pretty soon so I had to go back and punch off the spacecraft. Then I read up address 72. So, I hope the pictures come out.
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Source text · mention only16 :Borman We were looking right into the sun; I hope they do too. The drogu.e pins were no problem. Jim got them, but again, not until well into the first orbit. As a matter of fact, I pulled my own yesterd.a.y morning there. The problem is solved; I think they a.re easy to get to. Lovell Yes. They a.re easy to pull out. Borman I think that we have covered station keeping wi th stage II booater,partia lly . I will mention that the booster, being without attitude control, translating also with this im pul se it was picking up from the venting, is definitely an order of magnitude more difficult than station keeping with a stab l e vehic le like Spacecraft 6. First of all, you do not have . anyone contro l ling the thing; you do not exactly know where it is going to go, and it might translate because it is venting and ha.a a slight thrust. Borma.n I know a couple of times we got in a little too close and I backed out, because you just do not da.re get as close as you do the way this thing is spewing. We got a rea l good picture, a good l ook at the nozz le. I thought that it looked like the nozzle was bent in on two places on the booster engine. It l ooked like the nozzle, the ablat ive skirt had been bent in. But then, it may have been jus t a
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Source text · mention only17 shadow, because the next time I looked at it, it looked just like a new engine. The booster itself had no apparent da mage. The only thing we could see was this big spewing where the venting was coming from. I did not see any vent~ ing from the roll nozzle at all. Did you? Lovell No, the venting ca.me from some line right along the bottom edge, near the engine section of the booster. Borman That is right. Lovell It was a line of some sort that was open, and fuel was spewing out of it. Borman I hope they got the data they wanted on the D-4 and D-7 Experiments. It wa.s,again,a very uncomplicated maneuver, one that we practiced many times, and it worked just lik~ it does in simulation. Had no difficulty at all. Toe lights on the booster worked fine. 3.4 Post station-keeping Borman We did not do anything with stowage on the first orbit at al l . D-ring, pins I have already mentioned, we did not get those in at all. Lovell Arm restraints went down at 55 seconds. Belts- We did not even loosen them until aft er we had done D-4, D-7. The life vests we left right on the harness for the entire flight, but the ha.mess did not stay on us for the entire flight.
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Source text · mention only18 The sequence light test. This was done after the first orbit. We really had this insertion checklist in two phases, one at insertion and then one after D-4, D-7. 4.0 ORBITAL FLIGHT Borma.n We have already disou.ased the station-keeping. That is no problem. I think the situation that we used,going off with about 2 seconds--2 to 3 seconds--a.nd thrusting back with 5 seconds while you a.re still on your side getting back to the booster as quickly as "POssible ,solves the problem and takes a lot of the orbital mechanics out of the situation. I hope the film comes out. The one thing that did make it & little difficult on this one is when we looked back, we were looking back into the sun, and the booster was right in line with the sun. It was ju.at like flying formation when the leader makes a. turn, a.nd you are down,..sun. It is dif ficult to see, and I tried to move off to one side and swing around and look a little bit more to the north. I think it was north. I guess I was trying to look to the south where I could get the sun out of my line of sight. also had a cut-off on the booster at station-keeping at 88% fuel, so that at 88% fuel we were already in darkness, al though we had not reached the time for the D-4, D-7 separa tion which we.a to ooour a.too, 25.I think it was about '00: 23 or I
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Source text · mention only19 00,21. So when we reached this limit and we were in darkness, I ~~nt ahead and separated, thrustil:lg dawn. Lovell We actual ly separated earlier than 00: 25. We actv.ally separa ted at 00:-21. :Borman That is right. So we separated because we were in da.rlmess and because we had reached the limit on fuel. We had been in darlmess for awhile. One thing I di d notice was that the docking light was not particularly helpful on that stage of the business. I guess it is because we were not close enough to the booster. Lovell We tried but the docking light just did not work. :Borman I suppose because,a.gain,we were looking at a lighted horizon with the dockin g light , and it did not work as well as it did l ater on with Spacecraft b, The booster measurements went off. We got indicat ions on the needle ,on the measure ment needle .. Lovell The recorder did not get on until 27 minutes. That is a guess. I am not too sure, but as I understand it, they had live transmiss i ons up until th.at time, to Bermuda, 8Jld An t i gua., wherever it is, so we were okay there. Borman The booster measurements were normal. Again, the simulator was perfect for that. The lights. Jim McDivitt had made some comment about not being able to judge distance because
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Source text · mention only20 they only had two l ight s on there. We had four lights on and I will be darned if I will try to judge distance by four lights or fifty lights. You have got to have illumination or you have to have a stable vehicle. Lovell You have to have something that illuminates the vehicle, not a light that flashes because you cannot tell from a flashing light. Borman Especially on vehicles rotating. I do not think that i t is possibl e to control them. You have to have a controlled vehicle before you can judge distance from it, as far as I am concerned. The GO/NO GO, 17-1 TR were no problem. We ran through the platform-off post station keeping checklist jus t the way it is listed. Lovell Yes, that is where we caught most of the things. Borman That is where we caught most of the things like putting the D-ring away and the drogue pins and so on. Only one time in flight did we require attitude control fuel to change attitude for critical delay time playback. There was no problem. Communications , as always, were superior. The D-4/D-7 Void Measurement was again no problem ; just lined up on the black and ran for t wo minutes. Purging of the fuel cells. This is the first of a long--
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Source text · mention only21 Lovell Yes , but we did not do it then,did we? Did not we wait unti l we powered down and then waited two hours? :Borman That is right . This is one of the thin gs t h&t they had in the f light plan that we asked them to change because Lovell Yes, we did not purge the f'uel cells then . :Borman Originally, this came right after power down e.nd all of the f'uel cell people recommended that you purge before power down, or wait until two hours after power down. So we did not do it at this t i me in the flight. This was changed. D-4, D-7 star measurements. There was no prob l em. The eta.rs were well selected, and we were right on them. Right Jim? Jim copied down, on the procedures book, a check where we got the maximum return on the needle. Lovell D-4 , D- 7 was a well organized experiment as far as :Brentnall keeping us hopping about what to do . I will have to admit th.at .
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Source text · mention only22 :Sor:ma.n Re did a very good job. We knew just what to do. W& had all the equip,nent with us and everything went very smoothly. MS0--2 ana,..3 turned out to be not :much of a problem because at about the seventh dq we turned it on and left it on for the rest of the fli ght. The Berigee Adjust :tv1.aneuver 0 Jim ma.de the ~erigee Aijust Manuever. We did it on stars with out a platform. I was timing for Jim and I think I fouled up. We planned to use a perigee to 102 miles, and I think we wotmd up with about 15 feet per second too much. It seemed like about 117 miles. One of the reasons that was causing this was we had come back into the vicinity of the booster, and just about midwny through the burn the booster venting that was still occurring suddenly lit up, became lit up. It looked like we were flying through a lot of foreign objects or debris. I was afraid that we were going to hit so.mething. At the same time this trailing wire came forward and slappe d the spacecraft. Lovell That is where I stoppe d. :Sor.man Yes. After we had stoppe d and it nit us, I looked down and got confused and said, "No, we haven't burned enough",. ·&> we burned for about five seconds :more. We had a trail ing primer cord that would flop around and we didn 't know what it was at the time, but it came forward when Jim stoppe d burning and flopped on the spacecraft. It ,nade a
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Source text · mention only23 noise and I thought we had hit some of the stuff t~t was spewing out of the booster. I wasn't sure that it was just fuel. Lovell I think the ground people thought that this wire came for ward because it had gotten in the way of the thruster fire. It definitely came forward after I stopped burning,because I stopped burning and this wire came slapping forward. It still had the momentum, you know. It slapped right in front of the window. I think the people got the impression that the thing had hit a. thruster. It hit in front of us, then we stopped bu.ming. But we stopped' mm -taen-·ths:t thing hit a.nd we added some more because we were still at ~ ogee. Borman The first a:f many powerdowns was no problem1o We went right by the check list. Some of these switch functions in the space craft , particularly toward the latter pa.rt of the flight, toward the 12th or 13th da.y--we were getting, I won't say la.r in making the.m,but it see.med more of a chore to make these things right to the minute. Things like the ~!OJ.VIED recorder and so on--w e lost interest in having them turned off on the second. We knew what they needed to be turned on and off for. We didn't do as good a job from abou t the 10th day on as we did the first pa.rt as far as making those right to the minute.
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Source text · mention only24 Lovell As a .matter of fact, why don't we get out the flight plan. I think we might have a lot of comments on it. Borman Let's start from the beginning. Lovell The recor der was on at 27 .minutes. D-4/D-7 measure.ments. The GET of .measurement that the COLD IR was outside the two degree fiel d of view of the booster was at 30,13. Borman At 40s58 we had 84 %fuel left. We were right on the flight pla.n there. Lovell There was anoth er GET of measure.ment where the spacecraft was lined outside the field of view or the booster at 38:00. Borman We saw the booster for 2 or 3 revolutions after tl:at. The lights were still working. We called it out and t~ groun d got readings on this. Lovell The moon and booster were in view at 43:00. The booster and .moon were in view and we might get an erroneous read:tn.g because we were almost on the .moon. Borman Here we have a note that at 2z32 the fuel cell Delta P l i ght blinked off at 2 ftours and 30 minutes and then came back on. That is t he section 2 dalta Plight . Lovell Okay, then as far as stowage goes, the ·M-1 cuff was t urned on at 3z03, :Borman We put the bypass hoses on at this time also-- the ECS bypass hoses, Incidentally, they turned out to be not too .m.uch of a problem, They were very handy for the type or
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Source text · mention only25 work we did without suits on. Lovell Right. We took the s/c out of the horizon at 2:08 to get some measurements,as requested fro.m DOD,after we measure d the stars. This is after we powered down the equipment. We connected the bypass hoses at 2:32. This was 2 hours plus 32 minutes. Lovell Crew status reports. We bad 3 or 4 a day. Borman 5:20,we started unpacking the meals. This is one thing that we had trouble with• lbth left and right food boxes were jam packed. Fortunately ,we changed the lanyards. v,e changed this during our stowage review , <hough it was difficult we got them out. Several of the meals had lost vacuum. Lovell Which .made them more difficult to get out. Borman Really you can't co.mplain about this. The people did the best they could. We had an awful lot of food to store and we were able to get them out. Lovell We had several blinkinge of the Delta Plight during this period. It went out at 6 hours, a littleleas t han 6 hours, then came back on again at 6:27. Borman One thing that I wanted to find out a.bout,and I still don't understand,is why we turned on the crossfeed valve right after l&:w\oh. The FC o2 pressure was just on the minit11.Um
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Source text · mention only26 or 150 pai at launch. I called up Houston and said I would like to leave the gauge in the FC02 position rather than the ECS o2 positlon. Chris said, "No, unless we really felt strongly about it, they would rather have it in the ECS o position". So we left it there and after we2 were inserted and we were still with the booster, they came in with a recommendation that we open the cross feed. When we did, this immediately raised the pressure to 250 psi. The thing that was bad was that we had over 100% o:xygen and we were down to about 100 lbs. on the FC02• We agreed that we would fly at least 50 lbs. above the do.me, So, I really didn't see the need for opening that valve although it didn't cause a:n:y problems. Lovell They wanted to pump up and make sure. Borman It worked fine and we got right back up to 250 lbs. Lovell That is one syste .m that did work fine. Borman The first 7 hours was pretty no.minal. All throughout the flight plan we have notes that the Delta Plight went out and came back on and so on. Bor:man At 16,40 we sighted a satellite .much lower and on a slightly higher inclination path than we were. It passed underneath us. It was so fe:r awa::, it looke d like a sighting from the earth. It was just a refiection. We were very religious about the exercise periods. We s-ot
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Source text · mention only27 those t hree times a day wi th the except i on of the las t day and one other day when we got only two. I think this is a very good idea . I t is difficult and requi r es disciplin e because the last thing in your mind i s the desire to exer cis e. You get lazy very eas ily. We di d a very exte ns i ve operation with t he bungee and also i sometr ics three times a day. Borman They were progr ammed 10 minut es. I think a more reali stic one would be about five .minute s , three times a day. I did 60 pulls on t he bungee cord with both hands, 20 wi t h each leg, and then ended up with 10 with each ar.m on the bungee cord in addition to the few f or the crew status reports. Lovell I did 60 pull s on the arms and 60 on each leg and it didn't .make any differ ence. I could have done 20 on each leg and would have prob ably been better off. Borman At 45 hours J im started taking off his suit. During that first 45 hours our noses were clogged end stuffy, our eyes were i rritated, t he cabin was hot ; it was miserable. As s oon as Jim started taking off his suit, the cabin even tho ugh he was out of the suit and I was in, got better than it was with both of us in our suits. Lovell I didn't rea l i ze it was tha t long. We were almost up there two full days befor e I started taking the suit off.
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Source text · mention only28 Borman At 49t53 we got a picture of Houston with the 250 .mm l ens. I hope it comes out. Okay at 69t40 we did a Perigee Adjust Maneuver, Delta V 12.4, 16.5 seconds, and came right on the money, using the stars, no platform. I don't think that there is any problem at all with the proper stars in .making a gross adjustment. Lovell I think it was an excellent idea to do it without a platform, it takes two people. One person times and the other person burns on the star fro.m attitude. Both people check the attitudes by looking at the star charts and getting the updat es. Then ma.king sure that the s/c is alined right and the reticle is up to get the accuracy pretty good. After that, once you get it s et in your mind what you are aiming at, one guy is in the cockpit with the watch or event timer and clocks it. The other guy bas to look out the window because you can't go back and forth. If you look in the cockpit at the watch , you can't adjust to look out f or the stars. So it takes two people for that. I think you can do a good job without a platform. Bor:ma.n I do too . Bor:ma.n There is one thing that was a pain in the neck, and I hope they get some good out of them, were UHF and the RF tests. That was an hour and a half transmitting every five minutes
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Source text · mention only29 and having the HF/DF on. I'.m not sure what kind of data they got but I hope they got so.mething. The first one we had to do on the lKJRIZ.AN SC.AN; it took so.me fuel and I wonder really if it was worth it. Borman At about 166,40 we noted our drift rate picking up and we finally determined this was from the water boiler venting. It resulted in a left yaw rate and this continued periodi cally throughout the mission. It certainly would not be objectiona.l if we had fuel to counteract it. During a night period, in which we didn't do any attitude control at all, I timed the rates during the 13th day, and when we woke up they were about 7 degrees per second. I timed them around the horizon and came up with 7 degrees per second. About the only thing you can say about it is that it requires fuel to stop it. It occurs primarily in left yaw and left roll. Lovell There are two things in the s/c that causes the yaw left for so.me reason. Gus first noticed it and I think it is char acteristic of the s/c. One is the water boiler and the other is,every tie you turn off the power it fires two thrusters that give it a left yaw. The same two all the time. Borman We tried to beat that ever way we could. Every time we
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Source text · mention only30 shut down 1 we put it in a different control mode and it still fire d t he same t wo t hrusters. Every time you turn off ACME bias power it would go"boop, " 11 boop~ just like that. Every time we were without attitude control for extended periods we ended up with a left yaw and a left roll. Finally a.t 191>48 we got both crewmen suitless. That was the best decision in the whole flight. The perfor:m.e.nce of the Cryo bottles was fantastic. Lovell That was one thing we were worried about. The eyd.rogen bottle I thought was never going to last. Forty per cent of the eyd.rogen bottle was still left at the end of 14 days. One thing I wanted to try was to blow the squib. Remember they said t1Did you blow the squi b?" I forgot about it. Just prior to retro, I wanted to go over there and blow that squib that opened up into a vacuum. :Borman It would have taken several hours for it to do a:n:y good. Lovell Yes, I know, I just thought :maybe we could hear it or so.mething. :Borman One thing that cropped up more and more as the mission progressed, it seemed to get worse as it went along was the fa.ct that things were cm celled because of weather. We picked up large areas of clouds over the U. S •·and over s.
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Source text · mention only31 Ameri ca. About the only area that stayed clear was North west Africa. A lot of the experiments a.nd a lot of the Apollo landmarks were shot because of clouds. Borman On the 6 l auncht the second ti.met we were abl e t o track it. We were not able to pick up lift- off because of c l ouds again, but whe.n i t got t o the con l eve l t above the cl ouds, we were abl e to pick i t u p a.nd we tracked it using IR until we coul dn't see anymore. Even above the con l evel I think we were tracking the exhaust from the stage two en gines using PULSE mode. I hope we got some good data on that. Borman At 2661 16 we really g ot col d; the sui t i nl et t emperature dro pped below 40 degrees a.nd we started squirting.water out of t he sui t inlet h oses. We informed Houston about thi s a.nd they det ermined that the water boi l er had frozen up a.nd they rec ommended a procedure t o cl ear it. We did thi s with Gemini 6 watching; esse.ntia lly i t involved putting the rad i ator t o BYPASS and changing some switches. Lovell Evaporator heat on. Borman Put the evaporat or heat on and sett ing up t o 10 degree per second r ol l rate. Lovel l That's the picture you saw i n the movies. Borman It actual ly threw a lot of fue l o ut a.nd a lot of water out. It l eft a glob of ice on the side of the S/ C, about 10
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Source text · mention only32 inches in diameter at the exit from the water boil er vent. Lovell There were only two problems that we really had. There were the Fuel Cella and the two thrusters. We also had a cold Space craft. Borman Yes, that is when we had that water boiler problem. Lovell Before that; the first time we woke up, it was 20 degrees oolder inside. Borma.n Oh yes, I'm sure what had happened du.ri ng the night was that we vented the water boiler, used the water boile r. This is the day when we woke up and had such high rates o.n the S/C. We have all that in the cabin temperature survey. The wall temperature was 20 degrees lower. Lovell It was just freezing in there. 5.0 REIBOFIRE 5.1 TR-2:00 Power Up and Alignment Checklist Borman We had a slight l y different procedure as far as retrofire goes. Powering up for i t took two hours. The power up and alignment check list was called up from the ground since we had open circuited two stacks. We turned our ma.in batteries on and the squib bat teries back on at TR minus two hours. Lovell During the flight they had powered us down on the squib batteries and put in the bus ties about the l ast week of the
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Source text · mention only33 fl i ght. Borman We were flying with bus ties and tu.el cells and no squib batteries. Lovell To conserve the squib batteries for the r etrofire perio d. Borman Right. Lovell Becaus e of that configuration, and because of the f act that we lost two stacks, we had to modify our power up proce dure . Borman Right . Inci denta lly because of the f a.ct that we bad two degraded thru sters, 3 and 4, we didn't use the~ mode at all for this alisnment. We aliened it all manually. The thrusters were degraded, but there was still enough in them to allow you to get i'ine maneuvers, fine control. I used less control by turning off the circuit breaker for thruster No . 12 and used 11, giving back t hrust and this would give you right yaw• .5.2 TR-26 events Borman At T- 26 the event timer was set, we didn't read anybody because of our orbit , and we weren't able to start our event timer countin g down until T-20. Lovell T-20 Bor.ma.n Read ou.t fro.m Carna.rvon.
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Source text · mention only. 34 :Borman Lovell :Borman Lovell :Sorms..n Lovel l :Borm&n :Sorman Lovell :Sorman Lovel l 5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Cl ock At TR-5 Jim got the bug on the ei ght minutes , no prob l em. Yes, I got that okay. 5,4 TR-256 TR-256 Sequence light came on exa.ct l y on schedu l e. ;;, The digi tal clock never lost a second during the entire fl i ght. We didn't touch it. We di dn't touch that digita l cl ock one time during the ent i re f l ight. That i s the bes t instrument in the whol e s/c, especia l ly f or this type of f l i ght when you have a lot of update s a.nd everything. Electr i ca l was no pro blem. Control system, the RCS worked perfectly. It just worked beautiful l y. 5.5 .Tii::1. Retr o a ttitude minus 20 degrees pi tch. The ball had been a l igned for two revolutions and it was perfect. I f we had not had the bal l , I would have been happier if we had retr o fired in the dayl i ght. SEP OAMS, as advertised. You hear i t. Yes! You feel it sli ghtl y. That is right, a.nd you even f eel SEP ELECT.
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Source text · mention only35 Borman Yes, and you really fee l SEP ADAP'l'. It felt like I had put in f orward thrust at t hat time. Lovell Yes. Borman It was really a good thud when we separated the adapter. Retrorocket squibs were armed a t TR-30. Arm AUTO-RS 1 I1RO was actually done at about TR- 10 . Lovell We did tha t a litt l e bit ear ly . Borman The event timer was perfect. MDU, Jim got all the readouts and they were exactly what had been called up. Lovell Yes. There was one or two that the last digit was one nu..n ber off, but that is nominal. We didn't bother that. 5.6 TR-0 Borman From the time we got the countdown at Carnarvon we really didn 1 t tal k to a..~ybody a t all unt il we heard Houston at TR- 10 seconds come in with a count through Canton. Lovell We didn' t think that they were going to come in, as a. matter of fac t . Borman No, we were wondering ... Lovell That is a very poor place to retrofire. Canton had poor communication s co~pared with the rest of it. Borman But they ca.me through t hat time. LoYell Yes, they ca.me through. Borman We really didn 1 t need them because we had every indication
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Source text · mention onlythat our timing was good on-board. They did come through but not until TR-10 seconds. At TR equal s zero the s/c attitude was 20 degrees down. s/c rates were easy to con trol, but I thought that the thrust fro.m those retro-rockets was high. I really had a sensation of being accelerated. Didn't you Jim? Lovell Well, it was different from what I had expected because we were so used to zero g fl i ght. Borman The only thing I could do was fly instr uments, the needles and the ball. Trying to hold it right on the ball. I was vecy glad that I was in RATE COMMAND. I had to con trol it in RATE COMMAND a. little bit,particularly on the fourth retro rocket. The first three went bing, bing, bing. Then there was a p ause of about ½ a second and the fourth one went. The fourth one seemed like it was a little mis aligned, I think it was left yaw. I had to bring it back. I would like to emphasize this. I thought those retros were really powerful, and that you were holding on to something that if you really didn't have good control it could get away from you pretty easily. Lovell But, I was sure happy to hear them go.
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Source text · mention only37 Borman • Lovell BormA.n Lovell Borman Lovell 'Borman Lovel 1 Borman Sheparn. Lovell l3omP.n Lovell 'Boman Lovell Donnan Control mode was RRte Command, ano the I VI readouts •there did you write thos e down? I have them here. Fe cal led them off and we h?ve them. This is whr,t I've been usins- . It was 29P, and. 112 . And '.i 1ef t . Yes, an:i ) l eft. 1·.'hat were the nomil:.a.J s'? Let ' s .iust r.iake a not e of what the nominals were . This is usua.llJ about .... They called up the nominP l s . ':'he~' were 113 and 296 . Yes . ~At was 2 off from nominal , I rec Pll that .... 298 actua l , and 112 actu A.l , 298 aft and 112 down as the a.ctua 1s·. And 3 right. An<i 3 right . So we got in 01 ose t o the nominril , A.nd when you figure this out on our onboard che.rt s you come up with a bank angl e of 50 decrees . That ' s why I cou1. dn ' t unrlers tand the ~ 5--we 11 , maybe I ' m wrong but let 's tak e a look at this thin g again. Let ' s go through it. All right .
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Source text · mention onlyLovell Bonnan Lovell Bom"'n J,ove) 1 Borman Lovell "'Borman T,ovell That ' s a minus 1 error here, r ight? And a p Jus 2 error there, right? Right. Okay , so I went in here and got to a plus 2 error here, right ? fl ight . Wp..nt up here to a minus , here ' s the zero mark right her e, to a minus one error ; where this thing crossed this thing right np to here , plus 2, and by eosh, it came right out to 50 degr ees or s3 degrees . They gave ue 55 degrees roll l eft, which is what the nomi nal l eve l was . .. I ' ve got i t right here . Fi fty degrees and 60 deGrees is what they gave us . Bank l eft 50 degrees and bank right 60 deerees. Yes . ~ n~ so I look ed up the ch~r t and it said 50 QeP,rees as t~e b~ck uu angl es--everyth ing was working just l ike a charm anrt then I went back here to the bank contonr line to get out our down range def l ect ion , and it was 1 or 2 miles , I · think it was , no , 5 mil es over shoot ; which w~s just ahout as cl ose as you can hack it . And I t hought oh boy, this t■ rea lJy , talk about nominRl ree ntry , this is the one
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Source text · mention onlythat's eoinc to be it , and then the? came up wi th 35 degree s , 45 deer ees, and I rnisinter~reted it ; I was a rgui ng with Prank e.fter r e t ro fire ann he says no , that ' s 30 degrees --50 deerees. :3orr.ian 50 degrees . Love ll 53 decrees is what he ' s sayin [j. !-re ,ius t want s to ge t it down to a l ittle finer line . J\nd then Prank call ed bnck again An•i SR.id , " !'To , it wr-ts -i5 de£7e e s , " so I non ' t know what t he s tor;y w?. s ther e. Borman 'P.;e :-'DI as .fA.r as the r e trofire r,-oes , i t was r.o rrohlem . . .It worked out t:'ine , ano I jus t l ike to have I t h:ink . 1 ' ' If you ren.1ly were for ced into it you cot> ld <io i t on rate neerll.es , but you ' d have to hav e a lo t o f confiiience in your ability to hold i t . T wouldn ' t. want t o do it with out r:ate Command; and again , I did it in ;:ate r.omrnRnd. T' m not even sure how nuch the t hr usters wer e flrjnc -ivrinc ret rofire . DU you riotice ? I was watchinc the b,·l l , f'.r rl I dUn ' t noti ce . Di d it light up the horizon pretty hadl~r ? Lovell H WfW rea l ly r.ot too b~d . But ac t ua lly ; yeo , it ,iir1 , it lit i t up ouite a bi t . ;i'CSD !leo Okay . Lovell There was a point in the flight plan that they wante d the
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Source text · mention only40 Pilot to evaluate the horizon for a night, no pl atform, retro. And the thing is this: you can turn out all the ligh ts , you can get lined up for BEF retrofire, without a plat£orm if you get the stars and everything. But once you start firing, you &re going to have to use the ra.te needles, if' they are working, to hold position, because you can't see the horizon 8J1Y longer, because the thrusters do blank out 8J1Y sight outside. And also, if you've got the light s turned up in the cockpit, so that you can see thingeJ that means that you can't see outside. So, you have to go either outside to get cues, or you have to turn the lights out in the cockpit. And if you're going to use stu£f inside, then you have the lights on. I would be hesitant to make a night retr ofire without platform too. I think I would probably wait £or a. da.y one. 5.7 Retro Pack Jettison ::Bonnan The retro pack jettison - Jim fired ••• the one thing here on manual f ire , Jim fired the manual retros the wa;y we alwqs have. We fired in the wa;y we a.lwa;ys h&ve, one second a..fter TR equals zero, but we got an auto retrofire . Lovell Yeah, because the first one fired before I pushed the button.
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Source text · mention only41 Borman That was right on the money. The retro pack jettison was accomplished 45 seconds after, when the amber light came on, and you could feel and hear this one going; of course, it was pitch black so we couldn't see a thing. This was one of the things that we didn 't see, the REI'RO ADAPrER , the ADAPI'ER , or the RETROPACK. Lovell No , I didn't see any of that stuff go at all. Bor:ma.n Total darkness. Lovell Besides that, the thrusters blank out anything you could possibly see. 5.a Communications and 5.9 upda t ing Bor:ma.n Com.unmications were rather sketchy there. I was very glad though, that we were able to get through to Houston . I think it was over Guaym.as when they came up and told us to change in retro angle, and bank angle; I don 't know who did that but that was good work on the ground following up that computing, and getting us real time updates, I guess they must have done it after tracking. Lovell Yes, That 's probably what it was. Borman That's probably how they did it. And that was darn good. Lovell Yes. Borman Because the 35 degrees, I was flying right between 35 de gre es and O degrees most of the time , and if we'd have followe d the 50 degr ees, we'd have ended up way short.
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Source text · mention only42 So that was very good work on the gro-.md ' s part. Lovell It looks like the initial computation of retrofire time was off, and they already had a good o~bit on us. Borman I don't kno~ what it was, but they corrected it when we came in. 5.10 Post Retro Jettison Checklist Borman The pos t retro jettison checklist was accomplished with no problem. Oh, I'm thinking ; we did have some discussion about as far as the retro goes . With the- -we ' ll cover this more fully under su.i.ts. The question was whether to leave those hoods on or off for retrofire. We found th,'3-t the noise and the --I don't know why ~e didn't notice this at launch, but we did dur ing reentry , the noise from the air blowing in the G5C suits was an impediment to crew discussion . Lovell It would go on the mikes and make a lot of noise on th; mikes. The mikes picked up a lot of whistle . Borman. Plus the fact that the vision out of that thing certainly needs to be imporved. So, we didn't kno,1 what to do-- ·,.;e finally decided to leave them on for retro.fire. 6.0 REENTRY 6.1 Reen-gz Parameters '[:edate Borman Reentry. 400,000 feet, we had that time updated; and at 400,000 feet I rolled left 55 degrees, because this ... or fif ty degrees, the value of the backup angles at tha t time .
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Source text · mention only43 6.2 400K Borma.n Spacecraft attit ude a.t 400,000 feet wa.s difficult to deter mine. We di dn't h.a.ve & horizon until we were below 350,000 feet, a.nd I was having & lot of trouble trying to find it. Jim, you got the horizon first on your side. Lovel l Yes, the horizon ca.me up first on my side. Well, we did not have it right at 350 ,000 feet, but we coul d look out be tween RCS firings and see the air glow, if you'd stuck your face right up there and l ook out. But when you're doing the reentry on the instruments you have the lights up so, one guy ca.n't do it, you have to have two guys; one to look out and find out where the horizon is and- - Borman That was a heck of a thing. I'd like to be a.ble to cross check between the balls and the horizon once in a while t o make sure that I knew exactly where we were. As it tu.med out this was a completely instrument reentry. We fin a.lly found the horizon &nd Jim would tell me yes, it's about in t he right pl&ce. But I just watched the ball. And I think that it would be vecy difficult t o back up a reentry by watching out the window. One person could provide backup guidance for you, and tell
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Source text · mention only44 you where you a.re and what the ba.nk angle looks like with the horizon. But, I don't think tha.t a person that i s fly ing the reentry ca.n. cross check between the ball a.nd the horizon. I think you have to ma.ke your choice and l ive with it. Okay, roll commands were just like the simula.torJ t ime correlation was good. The guidance initiate came right on the money, and the needles jumped indicating an undershoot, a slight undershoot. From then on we just flew it the way we 'd flown them a hundr ed times in St. Louie and in the sim ulator. I think we were ve-ry well prepared for t his . I tried to fly it so tha t we took i t down.range, and we got a slight overshoot indicat ion on downrange of about 1 needle width, 1 dot. Then as we got down to a.round 2 g's or 2½- g's, I tri ed to start zeroing it out , so then when 3 g's oameJ the downra.nge was pegged right on the money. And we were indicating zero on the cross range. And at 3 g's I switched to flying the roll bug, and. just zeroing the roll bug; and a.s we came on down further and furthe r the do'Nnrange stayed zero, but the cross range started going off full scale. Well, this really doesn' t mean anything because all the cross ra.nge is indicating is
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Source text · mention only45 your per cent or miss verses per cent of capa.bili ty. And down on that range what it was really doing was, we were coming in a little bit sho~t, and it was sacrificing the cross range in order to get the down range cleared up, be cause the cross ra.nge wu vecy sm.e.11 ~• Lovell There -was a bias in the dow ra.nge needles between his ball and m:y ball, a.nd I think, th.&t fortunately,~ ball -wa.s the one that was out. Because when he was right on. :Borman You said we were overshooting &11 the time. Lovell Yes. Re was right on - I said you were overshooting, it wa.s about a needle and a half width bias. :Borman Okay. The initial indication of g's, I remember Jim called over and sa.id, "how ma.ny g's a.re we on now." I said l ess than one" and you said "get serious." I think you coul dn't believe it. The first onset you feel like you ha.ve about a ton on you, but then as it builds up it never seems to get mu.oh worse. It's almost u if it were a. step function. As soon as you get the g you rea.lly notice it, and then you don't notice it much more. And the ma.rlmum g's th.at we pulled during the reentry were 3.9. Lovell Yes, that a.ma.zed me. I actu&lly thought we did pull more g's. :Borman 3.9 g's. So, it was a long extended time.
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Source text · mention onlyLovell Yes. Borman During the later part of it I started out in PULSE Mode and :rolled over the 55 degrees in PULSE Mode, and. then when we eot Guidance Initiate I went to DIRECT. I was finding that in order to keep the cros11 range zeroed, and we had been told that Wally had trouble with his cross range, I was banking back and forth quite frequently maneuvering the spacecraft around the full lift point, from one side to the other and I was overshooting a little bit in DIRECT. I was also starting to pick up some pitch and yaw oscillations, so then I went to single ring RATE COMMAND. And boy, this was really a great control mode, it "'8.S steady as a :rock. You could put it right where you wanted and it st~ed there . But pretty soon we eot dow a:round, I guess it was when the g's were coming off, after 3.9 g•s. I started losing it in single ring RATE COMMAND so I threw two rings on and it held it like a rock. :But they were sure firing. Lovell Oh, yes. Borman Boh, those thrusters were really firing. And we started getting abla.tion off the heat shield. It was coming back in and hitting the nose of the spacecraft, and that was pretty
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Source text · mention only47 sensational. Jim was giving vivid descriptions on what was happening, a.nd I was watching the ba.11. Lovell That's one thing that no one had ever told us before. I was a.ma.zed. Maybe it was peculiar to the spacec.raft. Borman No, Tom and Wally h.a.d mentioned it. Lovell Oh, is that r i ght? That ablative material went back and hit the forward end near the recovery section, rather the RCS sect i on; and I thought well, I never heard of this before, and I was a little worri ed that maybe we were too fa:r off, a.nd the stuff was going to start getting into recovery section s. But it tiirned out to be okay. Borman Another thing was that the windows really got scrounged up on that ree.ntry; that's something else. I could hardly see out of my window. Stu.ff was coming over from the heat shield and hitting it. It was really gunky. 6. 3 Aceelera.tio!!,_Pro.file Borman Okay. The acceleration profile was very smallo It was a very high 11.ft reentry, and of course, this results in a low g and long duration build up. No problem at all. 604 Spacecr&ft Control Borman Spacecra.ft control was excellent until we g'Ot down to 100,000 .feet or even below 100,000 .feet . We turned on
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Source text · mention only48 the LANDING SQUI:B a.t 100,00 0 feet and sat th.ere and watched. it. 6.5 lOOK Feet Borman I started losing it; I think we may have run out of RCS fuel between 100,000 feet a.nd 50, 000 feetJ at lea.st I thought we had. 6.6 50K Feet Lovel l Wel l, didn't you turn off the RCS? Borm8Jl I didn't turn th&t off unti l a.fter we got on the drogue. We were starting to build up the yaw and pitch rates. Then at 50,000 feet, I was anxiously a.wa.it :lng the drogue, because these rates were building up a little. They weren't very bad yet, though. I pushe d t he drogue expecting it to de crease, and all it did wa..s a.m.plify th.em. And we got a. .real ride on the drogue for a. whil e, sounded like the one Jim and Ed discussed. It was r e&ll y going pretty bad. Lovel l Our angles were what? About 70 degrees. We pitched up? Borman Oh no, I estima.te we were oscillating back and forth maybe 20 degrees. Lo<rell From the drogue here pitching up we were rolling back a.:nd forth more than 20 de.grees on that initial pa.rt.
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Source text · mention only49 Borman We'l l have to see. We don't have readings on tha t . Lovell Okay, because I'm sure we did more than 20 degrees. :Borman Then I t hrew the motor valves back open age.in on the thrus ters, and that seemed to stop it. So I left them open a while and finally turned them on again and it stopped, and it settled out, and it was pretty smooth on the drogue. As a matter of fact, when we got dow to ma.in chute, it we.a steady as a rock on the drogue. Lovell Yes. 6.7 35K Checklist Borman I turned off the RCS motor valves a.nd blipped t he thrusters to clear the lines between 30,000 feet to 26,000 feet. And Jim then opened--The 40K ba.rostat worked fine. 6.8 Communicatiol_!!! Borman And we gave the reentry status report. I 'm not sure th&t Houston heard it, but we told them the drogue was all risht and okay. 6.9 26K Checklist Borman Jim, at 26,000 feet you opened the vent air snorkel
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Source text · mention only50 and we got a cabin full of I don't know what it was. Lovel 1 You had your hood off. Why? Borman I took my hood off to try to find the horizon , so I made the reentry with the hood off . Lovell Okay, I had my hood on, and I think when we opened up the snork l e; the way that works, the snork l e draws air through t he suit compressor, and then into the suit circuit • I had my hood on; and the flow comes out of an opening back here in the hood, and flow s down . I got an eye ful l of something tha t was an acid. Borman Acid, eh? Lovell Yes. Really burned my eyes. My eyes were watering when I fin P,ll y got the hood off. Borman We11 , we accomplished all t he checklists, and we had no problems; as a matter of f act, i t went pretty smooth in the time betwe en the drogue deploy and the 10.6 barostat. 6.10 10. 6 K Barostat Borman It was just like the si mul a t or. One th i ng I did notice, initially , w hen we we re on the drogue, t he altimeter was completely inaccurate. You couldn't even read it. We were oscillating so bad l y that it was jumping in thous ands of f eet per second · , oh maybe not thousands, but the needles were going a l l over the place; and I remember thinking boy ,
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Source text · mention only51 if this osci llation doesn' t s top, I' ll have to punch the main chute on the amber l ight, rather than the altime ter . But the oscil l~tio ns did stop. 6. 11 Hain Chut e Deployment Boman I punched the main chute at 10 , 600 f eet as indicate d on the altimet er , and just a mil lisec ond. aft er that, the yello w l i ght came on the 10.6 baros tat l ight . The thing deployed immediat ely into a reefed condi t ion , and we examined it in the reefed condition and it l ooked very good_ LoveJl Frank thought it was in the ree f ed con<lition for 3 months . Borman It seemed like it s tay ed reefed for a long time , then it unreefe <l , and I couldn ' t find one gore or one pane l that was ripp ed or frayed or anything . Love ll It was a good chl1te . Borman Perf ect chute. 6. 12 Post Main Checklist Rorman We accompl ished the post main checklist, anrl the n we brac ed ourse l ves very well and went to the single point. of attitun e . 6.13 Single Point Rel ease Bormim When we went to the single point attitude it was exac tly the same as we had had it at St . Louie --where they ' d rigged--t hey had a test after John and Gus ' s fl ight . They put a test capsul e suspe nsion at St . Louis, and this was
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Source text · mention only52 e:x:actly the same. You get a. good whack and then you sit there and vibra.te ba.ck a.nd forth for a little bit. 6.14 2X Checklist Borman 2,000 foot checklist we accomplished with no problem. About this time, at 2,000 feet, I heard Air Boss calling and we started communicating with Air Boss. I saw him flying around while we were still on the chute. Houston came throU8h a.bout this time and wanted to lmow if we had a. main chute. I'd ca.lled a.11 these things off, but I guess th.at the com xmmica.tions-maybe the Auto Cats weren't working or some thing. Lovell Air Boss should have called back a.nd said ••• Borman But I called back and confirmed main chute. 6.15 Landing Borman We hit the water with a. pretty good thud, and your window went under water, didn't it? Jim's window went under watero We hit in a drift. We were drifting to the right rear, and there was a 14 knot wind, and when we hit the sp&eecra.ft rolled to the right, and your window went under the W&ter, and mine eticy-ed up. Nothing serious tho'U8h,. Lo-vell Nothi.ng serious. 6.16 Postlanding Checklist Borman We extended the .RF antenna. to get e. test for them &nd went on HF-DF; I hope that somebody heard it. But they had
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Source text · mention only53 swimmers there in a.bout 4 minutes, and so I put the HF antenna back down to keep it from getting da.maged. And we conducted the electrical check. I musts~ that I'm gl ad that the electrical check was simple, because it was hot in there, and we were tired . I was worried about this before and I would never have been able to sit there Blld go t hrough this complicated, long check. Lovell We had both pl8l'llled, that what we were going to do was take off our suits in the spacecraft, and wear our orbital flight suits. And I think that we probably would never have gotten out of the suits, because we were just too hot and too beat . :Borman It was even hot in the spacecraft, so Jim came through with the idea of opening the :repress valve, and this wa.s great. We bad a.11 that oxygen and you weren't going to use it. It blew all that cool oxygen out and we had o2 HI RATE and the snorkel on. So we stqed pretty cool when you get right down to it. So it was a. good idea. I don't know if you got the blood pressure measurements or not, did you? 6.17 Blood pressure measurement Lovell I took them, I don't know whether they came out or not. I put the reprogre.mmer on in the water and started ta.king blood
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Source text · mention only54 pressure measurements a.nd--but that ' s harrl to do. I ought to comment on that. Because to take a blood pressure measurement you had to pump up the thing and leave your handsstill, and leave your arms still until it ble erts down; well it tak es a littl e while for it to bleed down. Meanwhile , Frank ' s got the checklist out and the guys out there are putting on the collar, and we'r e trying t o thro w switches and take this and t hat; I ,just. thoug ht I might as well start doing it with my other ~a.r.n. Ilorman Same way with the blood pressure they requ ested over Guayrnas during reentry, I make a comp1ete testimonial here ; I think once the reentry starts that eve rything e lse cets l eft asid e, and you <lon ' t nP-ss around with blood pressures, or experiments or anything else. From then on it ' s sort of a case of surviving the darri thing . I didn't want rim messing a.round looking for a bl ood pressure ; so we diiln 1 t do it. About thA.t time we cou ldn ' t find the horizon any way. Lovell We got called up from the MCC Borman But , anyway, we didn ' t do it. So it didn ' t b other us . Lovel] That ' s the first I 'd heard of it when they cal l up. 7.0 .LANDING AN]) RECOVERY 7.1 Impac t Borman We were drifting backwards, blunt end forwa r d, rather, as
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Source text · mention only55 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell BoI'J'llan Love11 Borman Lovell Borman Lovell we hit the wate r, Although it was a good jolt, I wouldn't say it WR.S anything outstanding. We hit , and Jim, your window went under water, right? The snacecra ft rolled to the right, I believe . Yes. We hit, rolled to the right, and you went uncier water and bobbed right up. Right I released the parachute and it fl oated in front of us for severa l minutes. I saw part of it on the left hand side the re, or rather on the right hand side as i t fl oated by my window, It stayed there for several minute s . It ' s just the way it 's been described before. There was an awful lot of fog on the window, though. I noticed tha t the humidity was such that you could hardly see out. Very foggy . I'm not sure that was humidity or tha t was f rom ree ntry . Might have been from reentry, I don ' t know. I did see the S2F on the chute. We saw it whi le we were sti Jl on the chute coming down, 7.2 Checklists The onl y thing I had about the checklists; during the recovery phase, I had a hard t ime doing the check l ist, in fact, I had to give it to you, because I couldn't move my
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Source text · mention only56 ann doin g the blood pressure work. And that compl icates the recov ery phase of it quite a bit . Bonnan Yes . Lovel l I thi nk it also compromised the blood pressures that way too. Borman We didn't feel like running foot races when we finally hit the water. We had planned to get out of our pressure suits into that orbital flight suit , but the effort was just too great . So,we jus t opened t he repress valve to get some more coolin g in there and sat . Love l 1 That ' s right . We opened up t he repress valve; di d we have the cabin fan on? Borman No, we didn ' t have t he cabin f an on . He had the snorkle val ve with the suit fans and t he o2 HI HATE and the re press valv e o pen. Borman The checklists were all right then as far as you 're con- cerne d? Lovell Yes. I thought the reco very phase was very good. I t hink I miss ed one or two. I know I didn ' t turn all the s tack switches off, but the power and control switches were off during the reentry phase; so, there was no pro blem there . 7, 3 Communications Boman UHF. We had communicat ions with Air Boss whi l e we were still on the chute, and we had very good communications
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Source text · mention only57 with them in the water. The communications with Houston via UHF were poor. Once we were on the drogue they kept callin g us asking us to confirm main chute. I' m not sure they ever heard us conf irm main chute. Lovell I've often wondered about t ha t . Watchin g the oth er apace craft come in, why they don't call; and I found out tha t they do call but they ca..~•t get thro ugh. Must be the rel ay pl ane t troub l e or something. Borman Communi cations wit h recovery forces on UHF was exce l lent. HF: we ext en<ied t he HT<' ant enna, put o ut HF- DF t one for awhil e. Again I am not sure if anyone picked it up or not . We retracted it af ter i t had been up only 8 minutes , be cause of the fact that we did not want to get the HF antenna broken of f during the recovery operation. Lovell There was no need for HF communications since we vere so close to the recovery group. Bonnan The chopper was over us about 5 or 6 minutes after land i ng . We had much better UHF communications, so, we di d not use HF. On point of impact, onboard data. Within t he l i mits of the readability of that scal e, it was exce llent . Down range and cross range needles were fine. We actua lly ended up about 8 or 9 miles from the carrier. You just can't get much finer infomation out of the down range and
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Source text · mention only58 Lovell Boman J.ovel l Boman LoveJl Boman Lovell Borman cross range . Did you have any kind of a mal function in the acceler ometer ? No, but Spacecraf t 6 did . I don 't remember that being a condition of the bet. I didn ' t either. Ground Informa tion . The ground gave us excellent infor l!la tion, as f ar as every thing we neede d to know, inc l uding recomputing the guidance angles after retro . The ground did an exce llent job. Tracking data, I don ' t remember rece iving that . When Spacecr a ft 6 was ent ering , they kept telling them that they were fine, a.nrl they wer e goi.ng right down the s l ot anti every thing. J do not remember eve r hP.aring from the ground on anything Jike that on ours, do you? Perhaps we did and we were so engrossed in fly i ng it, t hRt we did not notice it. Well , we had good communications pri or to bl ackout over GuayrnRs . Aft er we started guiding , go ing into th e atmos phere, communications went t o pot. Status of recovery. I <lo not think recovery cou1d have been any better . Very smooth . 7. 4 Systems Configuration The ECS, as we said before, we had o2 HI RATF. with both
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Source text · mention only59 suit fans, snorkel valve open, and the vent valve open . We a]so opened the repress valve. Electrica l: We per formed a simple electrical check. We turned off 3 and 4J l eft 1 anrl 2 on, and watched for the variation in voltage on the main buses. The bus that is fed by land 2 bat teries varied with wave action. Lovell That is right. But 3 and 4 dirl not move from zero. Borman And then you turned off squib batteries land 2 also didn't you? Lovell I left squib battery 3 on. Borman Squib battery 3 was the only one that was on. Lovell Control: We turned off the platform, the computer, the circuit hreake rs to the thrusters, and the RCS thrusters. Borman He l eft the comput er in PRELAUNCH for 48 seconds or more, before we turned it off. Aeromedical, no comment. Except blood pressure being a nuisance, anrl perhaps even a hindrance when we were trying to go around the cockpit with the switches and you had to ho 1d one arm stil 1. 7.5 Spacecraft Status Boman RCS fumes: When you open the snorkel at around 26,000 feet you get a good load of them. Lovell I am not sure what kind of fumes they were. They were not familiar to me. I have smelled the resu lts of fuel in the
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Source text · mention only60 RCS system,and I know what tha t smells l i ke i t . It did not smel l that way . I got a burnin g sensation in my eyes , which was diff erent . Now, I might have got a mor e con centrated one . I still had my helmet on , and zipped up , You had your helmet off . I be1ieve, t hat witr. the snorke l open , the compre ssor ~u1Jed the ambient air through the snorke l throu gh the compressors and into the s uit circu it . That i s why I got a concent rated rlose of whatever was on the outsid e, which causert my eyes to wat er ann to burn . Whether it was the ablative materia l , the shing1 es , or the RCS f umes , I do not know. Borman The main chut e was perf ect . Lovell Looked beau t iful . Borr.tan I coul d not see a rip or a t ear or any fra ying or any thi ng ; i t wa.s just perfec t . The windows were fo(!gy in flight . I thought they fogged over and the visi bi lity out of them during the hot part of the re entry , was very poor a l so . Love11 They started to burn a little bit . Started to peel off on the out side. I do not know what i t was . Rorman When we eot on the water t hey were fog~ed over with hu midity and salt spray . I guess you have to expec t that , Leaks: Ther e were none , that I know of . Conldn ' t see
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Source text · mention only61 any or hear any. Lovell I did not see a:ny leaks. Borman Electrical Power: We mentioned we had 1 and 2 main batt eries on, and when we evacu ated the spacecraft, we turned all four of them on per the check l ist. Turned off everyt hing but the rescue beacon. F.lectrica l power was ampl e, very good. We were running both suit fans. Lovell Oxygen: Went to repress valve open. Borman We went through that swiftly, as a matt er of fact , to keep cool. Lovell 'vie noticed before we got out that both the bottle pressures were down to zero. Borman Hatch es: After one of the swimmers said we were clear to open the hatches, I unlocked mine. It operated very freely and easi ly. I could budge it about 2 i nches, but I could not lift it. I probab ly could have if I had exerted a l ot of effort, and gotten my Jegs up under me. However, the swimmer was righ t outside, and I asked him to hel p. Ile helped and it came right open, worked very wel l . We had the suit on and left them on. Lovell We were warm, undoubtedly. Getting out of the spacecra ft as quickly as we did helped us. Borman That was the smart thing to do.
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Source text · mention only62 Lovel l I wouldn 't want to sit in there with our suits on. 13onnan Plus , I though t the visibility of that suit during re entry left a l ot to be desired. That is why I had to pu1 1 my hood back to find out where we were end what position we were in. I think the suit is an exce J.lent one , but i t is going t o have to be improved. We better grab it and start working, modifying it ; to make it acceptab l e for Apoll o. The sea condition was very goon ; 2 to ,1. foot waves . We bobbed around, alth ough I got a 1itt l e queasy, I did not get nauseated, Jim didn't either. Lovell The sea condition was outstanding for landing . 7.6 Postlanding Activity Borman Postlan ding act ivity was well organized. We were a lit t l e busy. We did not get t hru until about 10 o'clock that night. Is that right ? Lovell Yes, that is right . Borman He harl a little misunder standi ng about ridin g a bicyc l e. We understood we we re not supposed to rirle unti l 18 hours after impact. They wante d us to ride it thA.t night after we had been thro ugh a full day of medica l exams, and finally had a good supper . So, we told them they would have to hold off until 18 hours after impact. FCSD Rep You are still in the spacecraft for this part.
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Source text · mention onlyBorman Okay. On :postland.1nc we just sat there . Lovell Wel l, we went through the check-off list. That took al1 the time . I saw the swimmers, checked the electrica l system , that they wanted us to do for post l anding. By that time the swimmer had the collar up. I couJrl see the collar going up, and then he got the jacket on . Borman We ha.d good commun i cation with t he swir:uner throu gh thA.t jack . Lovell Excellent communicat i ons with the swimmer. 7. 7 Comf ort Borman It gets pretty warm in that sp~cecraft. I would hate tn spend any grea t dea l of time in there without any F.C:i . Lovell I can speak as an authority on that. 7.8 Recovery Poree Personnel Borman We covered communications, it was excellent . Flotatio n co1Ja.r was fine, wor ked good. 7,9 F.gress Borman Egress was normal, just as we practiced in Galveston Day severa l tim es. These helicopters did a fine ~oh. I think someone said it was about 23 minutes after we landed that we were on our way back. 7.10 Surviva l Gear Bom an Even the underarm life pr eservers inflated this time . Wonder of wonders. No prob1em .
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Source text · mention only64 7.11 Crew Pick Up Boman The crew pick up was nominal. Lovell Nothing else. Everything was fine . 8.0 SYSTEMS OPERATION 8 . 1 Ple.tfom Borman We aligned the platform 3 t imes. W:ach time it worked just as advertised. Daytime alignrnent ,o f course,was no prob] em. We got very ample yaw reference out the window. Lovell Caging , for fast heat dropout took approximately 23 minutes. Boman Night time, the initial alignment is a litt1e difficult i f you do not have a full moon. With a fu 1 1 moon it is al most as easy at night as it is in the daytime. It rea 1.ly lit the terrain up. Lovell To get your initial spacecraft attitude, the full moon is very nice . Borman Right, without a full moon, I think it woul d take you a littl e whi le to align to get your Spacecraft BEF, so that you would not have to torque the platfom too far for alignment. Lovell You get to know the stars. "!3orman Yes, you have to use the stars . It would be difficult to pick up the ground and track it. Platform Morles: CAGE. Jim ~aid that took 23 minutes for a fast heat drop out.
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Source text · mention only65 SF.F worked perfectly . BEF worked perfectly . ORB RATE seemed to be fine , We used it preparing for the rendez vous with Spacecraf t 6. After running OP.BRATS fo r approximately an hour , and then going back to align SP.P, we did not notice a great amount of misalignment. ?he only time it was on F'RF:E was during reentry, I cuess the FREF. worked fine . Lovell No prob l em about displays , were there ? Boman lfo , not at all , Lovell Been using- them for a couple of years now. 'Borman No prob l em abou t contro l s . ~'h~ PLATFORM mode worked well , During our last alienment, we had degraried opera ....ion in thrusters~ and 4; so we aliened it manually f or 2 orbits . It was v ery easy to no, ann it worked fine . We had eJ l the confidP-nce in the worl ri as far A. S atti tude reference is concerned , 8 . 2 OAJIS 'Rorinan OAMS operational check, Pad: I tr.ink we went arnunn the horn about~ times befor e they were satisfieri. Lovel 1 It took thre e circuits to s et them, Borman Ri gr t , Inflight O~J~S : The on ly ooerati0nal er.eek we harl is when we lost the complete authority in yaw richt, thrusters 3 and 4, We notic ed this first 1n PULSE mode; •
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Source text · mention only66 we switched to DIRECT and in DIRECT we did not e;et. a.ny ignitio n at all as far as I could tell . In t he OAHS PULSE yaw righ c, we were getting slight litt le pops . It seemed we had about { control autho rity that we had before we experie nce~ the probl em. We went to DIRECT, to see what effect DIREC11 ha<l on it and we got some thrust, but i t was a. '1•hishing. We weren't getting any sound of the thrusters. It was a whishing sound . T think we were only getting an impulse either from the oxi<liz er or the fuel escaping . Lovell We couJd hear a cJicking of the solenoids or the operatio n of the va l ves, what ever they were back there . They were worki ng all r ight, but we were not eettin g any resuJtant thrust. Borman Right. Systems Monitorin g: Sour ce pressure was fine . Went right down the predicted sche<lule . Lovell As a mRtter of fact, the source pressure dropped, just a r pre<licted , w hen we ran out of initial 0.Al18 fuel befor e we went to the re serve tank. Tt came back in at;air. when we actuated the squib. Ilorman ?To , that wasn't the source pressure, that was the regu l ated pressure. Lovel l I mean the regulated pressure, I'm sorry . Borman The source temper ature worked fine throughout the flight.
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Source text · mention only67 The regu l at ed press ure staye d at 300 , r ight on the money, throughout the e nt ire flight until the auxiliary tank was actuat ed. We ot:>erated the auxiliary tank when the nressure dr opped about 30 psi . Lovel l Yes . It went down to about 260 or 270. IlonnAn Right . It crune right back up , and the system worked just exactly as advertised. The prope1.1ant ouantit y gauge worked fin e. Por most of the flight it was right in ae-reement with the ground comt:>utations. Love] J 1:/hat wa.s the final pro"9elJ an t q uantity reading? Borman About 2 percent to 3 perc ent . Lovell And we s till had 300 psi r egulat ed p ressure . Borman Sourc e pressure remained about 1,000 psi . Monito ring of OAMS propellant remaining : On board in foma t ion I thought . was good . The OAMS propellant quantity gauge, wor ked fine . Lovell At least it was on the s i de favoring us . :Sorman Yes. The ground in.f ormation was excellent. At the end of every da,y they gave us ground r undown of how much O.AMS fuel we had remaining. It worked out fine. We were short on O.&MS fuel. Any time we di dn't have a s~ecific ass i gnment, we were in dri f t ing f l ight. That's one thing we want men tioned. Every time we powered down we' d turn off the ACME bias power and the ACME inverter, and invariably t hi s would
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Source text · mention only68 • fend up in two pulses o ti bump, II "b tiump, th ta ldwou dten to yaw left and roll left. And the natural tendency of the spacecraft to yaw left due to water boiler venting, I guess, and perhaps ECS venting, was aggravated by this added impulse of two blips when we shut down the ACME. How about the selector controls and switches i n the cockpit? Lovell No comments t here. Borman I don't have any either. The attitude controller, I thought, was fine. No problems. Maneuver controllers were fine. Lovell The right hand maneuver controller was a very nice operating controller and it was very handy. Very easy to operate. Borman As far as inflight malfunctions or irregularities, we lost aut hority on thrusters 3 and 4. We got some of our yaw righ t capability back by turning off the circuit breaker for Thruster 12 and then thrusting backwards with the maneuver controller in order to give us yaw right. This wor~ed very well and enabled us to check yaw right drift rates and enabled us to make yaw right maneuvers. The only thing- you couldn't get very small control inputs with this mode. Lovell And you used a lot of gas. Borman And you used a lot of gas. I was very happy when we finally
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Source text · mention only69 ··-◄ - ..-... 'ii .;J,, ... ,:·- - L. :-... .. •-t ._~ aligned the platform for reentry that we were able to get enough control out of 3 and 4 to align the platform. 'When we did this, of course, in order to get yaw control we went to roll jets - pitch, and that worked fine. I don't have anything to add to that malfunction. We heard the solenoids working. When we went to DIRECT we could feel we did get an impulse, but we did not seem to get ignition. It sounded more like a swis hing noise. The groun d ana.lyzed it and seemed to think it we.s a problem with the valve seats. I ' m not certain what it wa.s. I do know that we also tri ed s econ dary drivers and that didn't help. I coul d tel l that wasn't the problem when we f i rst heard it. Lovell We tried different modes--PULSE, D IRECT, a.nd RATE COMMAND , but tb.a.t didn't help. I think it was mechanica l problem. Borman RATE COMMAND is a very tight contro l mode. I'm very glad i t was there. I think it is very important to have that for retrofire. We also used it for reentry. I think it is a very good mode. Of course, it is expensive in .f'uel . We used it also for all our thrusting when we were making orbi t adjust maneuvers. Lovell Let me ask a quest ion . When did you go to RATE COMMAND during the reentry? Borman I went to RATE COMMAND during reentry Lfte:r guidance initi-
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Source text · mention only70 ate and after I started f lying the needles. Lovell Because you were overshooting with DIRECT? :Borman Right. I was not able to get the fine control I wanted. It would not stay in there. It seemed like the spacecraf't was picking up a torque in roll also, and I was having to watch it too close. Lovell And this was different th&n what we had in the simulation. :Borma.n Yes. REENTRY RATE COMMAND we never used. DIREC'l! we used once for tracking the Reentry Minuteman in order to catch it. It was moving so swiftly. We al so used it in the ini tial phases of reentry, and it worked fine. The PULSB mode, of course, was the one we lived with most throughout the 14 days. I thought it was an excellent mode. Lovell It is a gas saver and even when you do have a platform the PULSE mode is adequate for most of the work you can do- - for any attitude control, ground terrain observations-except for rapid rotations where you need a faster authority. :Borman Right. All ground tracking, PULSi was adequate. We did not have any problem at al l. We were able to track the Polaris using PULSE. Everything except the reentry~ we could use PULSE mode. The IlORIZON SCAN mode was fine. The only thing I noticed there was at sunrise and sunset some times, we were driven to a 30 or 40• nosedown pitch attitude
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Source text · mention only71 by the thrusters . The scanners worked great except at sun rise and sunset. Lovel l They woul d l ose lock ••• Borman Sometimes they wouldn't lose lock but, remember, they drove the spacecraft nose down. About 40° pitch down. Lovell The one big thing, which wa.s the question in all our minds, actually b •PP4D•d, Another spacecraft nearby will interrupt the HORIZON SCAN mode. Borman Right. Lovell It does effect the scann er operation, so it i s something you have to take in conside ration. Borman That ' s right. When 6 got between us a.nd tha aun, the scan ners were inoperative and lost lock. PLA'Tlt'ORM mode worked excellently when we had it, and we 'll.lled it to align the first two time ■ we had the platform. I think that you can do a finer job, and, you can a lign the platform more closely manually. Thie is becau se the deadband on the PLA.TFOlffl mode i a l arger than you can control manually. But it certainly i a a worthwhile mode and for station keepin&' it is a super ior type of operation. Tra.nal&tion maneuver• at apacecr&ft aepa.ra.tion at SECO + 30--I did not hear the thrusters. I jwst thrwsted. Jim hit the SEP spac ecraft. Did you hear the thru.aters ?
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Source text · mention only72 Lovell No. I did not hear the thrus t ers. One reason why we didn't hea.r the thrusters in t h.at particular case, whereas we did later on, was the fact t ha.t we ha.d our hoods on and the air was blowing in and making a l ot of noise. It Wl!.S strictly by feel and by sight. No sound . Borman Right. Peri gee Adjua t Transl ati on. Accel erometer bias was what they thought it was prel aunch, and it remained that way throughout the f light. This was a. no platform Perigee Adjust, so, really tha t doesn' t have any meaning there. The timing on the first Peri get Adjust Maneuver was off, thanks to me. Jim ma.de the maneuver. We did it without a platform on a. star. And, as I mentione d earlier, about this time we were in cl ose proxim ity to the booster, and we started fly ing through some part icles, but I wa.s not sure exactly what it was, so I told him to stop thrusting as we approached this. Then, when we got in there, when we stopped th.rusting, this wire came forward, hi t the hatch, and I lost the timing again. We thrusted, I guess , a little too l ong. I a.m not sure exact ly how l ong i t was. I think we were aiming for a. perigee of about 102, and ended up with about 120. M.&¥be they changed their minds and went for a perigee of 120. don't know. Lovell Well, that time which they gave us was not consistent with I
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Source text · mention only73 the flight plan. They e;a.ve us one minute and 16 or 17 sec onds, &nd the flight plan called for 46, I think. Borman Well, we may get that cleared up when we talk to the ground. But, it was greater than I thought we had planned to do. Updating throughout the flight was excellent. Checklist wa.s fine and, of course, we did not use the computer. Lovell We might mention here that both Frank and I think making adjust maneuvers without a platform is very feasible. You can use the reticle for alignment and use the stars a.s a reference. Since you a.re usu.a.lly using the aft thrusters, you do not have thruster light to worry about. You can turn down the lights. It takes two people thoughf one per son to burn, hold att itude on the star, and watch the star reference and the other person to time. It required two people, but it is & very feasible method of doing it. I think you get some very good accuraciea with it, because we found out from the second burn. 8.3 RCS Borman RCS operational checks were nominal. We had no problems at all with the RCS. System monitoring was perfect and it did not drop one bit during the 14 da.ys. After we actuated it, it vent from 3,000 to about 2,600 to 2,500 psi on the source pressure. No problems. Control mode-s, RATE COMMAND. .AJJ I
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Source text · mention only74 have said, it is a very tight and fine mode. We used it during most of the reentry. REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did not use. DIREC~ I used for the first part of the reentry, and it seemed that we were picking up rolling torques , and I was also starting to pick up pitch and yaw oscillations as the gs were coming on. They were slight ones but I really wanted to get the spacecraft steady, end I was real ly trying to lock it in on the attitude indicator, so we went to RAT~ COMMAND. I didn't see any reason to bring back a lot of RCS fuel anyway. REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did not use. The PUISE mode wa.s used in the reentry prior to guidance initiate, and it worked fine. Retrofire attitude control was excellent and I'm gl ad we bad RATE COMMAND there because we had no outside reference at all. Retrofire was done on the ball with the rate needles, and I thought the rockets were outstanding. Yes.h, outstanding , I thought they were a little more powerful than I had anticipated. Lovell Q;uite all right. Borman Reentry attitude control deadbands and rate damping was fine. The only thing, I guess, that was wrong with RATE COMMAND was the fact that it uses an awful lot of fuel. But, it certainly holds that spacecraft steady as a rock. The heater lights - we solved that problem very easily. We
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Source text · mention only75 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell turned on the RCS Heaters on the second dtcy and left them on through the entire £light. They sequenced and went on and of£, I am sure, but we did not know about it. We never saw the light, and we did not have to worry about it . The temperatures kept right around 80° all the time. No comments on thruster f iring, worked fine. We shut the RCS system down initially around 35,000 feet, shut off the motor valves and then the oscillation on the drogue built up even greater than it was. So we turned them back on again, and I'm not sure if it is my imagination or not but it seemed like this had some effect on damping the oscill a tions. It may have been just the position in the reentry, though. I had the feeling that perhaps we had run out of RCS fue l prior to drogue depl oy. I am not certain, but if we di dn't then the RCS didn't have the authority, because we were oscillating before drogue deploy. I didn't notice any RCS fumes after impact. Did you, Jim? After impact ? No. I think that our system of turning the Repress on and getting the ..• 8.4 ECS Why don't you comment on suit mobility? This was a flight that actually did some suit. We had the new light weight suit. evaluation on the Mobility is bet ter
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Source text · mention onlythan the 4-C suit, but mobility in the Gemini cockpit with the 5-C suit still restricts the person such that it de grades his performance for long duration missions. It is still quite inunobile in the 5-C suit. We still have a lot of trouble with it. The suits checked out all right prior to the flight. We did not do any integrity checks with the light weight suits during the flight. The air flow through the suit was adequate where the flow got to the body. However, there were many pockets where the &ir became stagna.nt, especially in the crotch area.. It would heat up in local areas of the body and would not provide adequate cooling. Humidity goes right a.long with temperature. The areas where the air flow did not go across the body, was very humid. We also noticed that it gave you sort of a wet clammy feeling when the cool air went in there. It gave you sort of a. cold, clammy feeling where the flow went th.rough. Places where the air did not res.ch were hot and clammy. :Sorman Also, the humidity in the ca.bin was very, very low when we were in the suits. The ca.bin was dry and hot. Very, very poor. Lovell The humidity dew point was between 52 and 58 most of the time. We have some accurate figures on that. I don't recall any instance of even seeing the CO2 gauge move other than
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Source text · mention only77 during tape dumps. We h&d no evidence of co2• Com.fort in ~ pressure suit is compromised. It restricts mobility and the Gemini cockpit is just not th.at big for long dura tion flights where you can live with the suit. Suit con trols were very a.dequate. no problems there. We bad abso lutely no problems with the o2 demand regulator. The elec trical umbilical is unga.inly a.nd heavy. The connection right angle sticks out in the cockpit. It could be better designed. We did not have fingertip lights. Our mode of operation. with the suit on, was pr:1.ma.rily with the hood off, the cover visor on, and the gloves off. Maey' times we also unzipped the big zipper through the crotch and up the back, and left that zipper open. We found that the big opening in the neck, with the crotch zipper closed, most of . the air would go out through the neck and would not adequate ly vent the lower stoma.ch area. We had planned in our flighl; plan to try going suitless. As per plan, about the second cl&y, I got out of my suit and found after settling down to the environment that the skin became drier. There were no wet spots or dampness in the underwear area. I put my suit inlet hose along side of me on the center stowage area with the opening facing aft blowing air do-wn alongside the seat blowing &ft. The exhaust hose was put back into its stowage
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Source text · mention only78 position, with the screen on, a long the lower right hand footwell e.rea. This provided adequate ventilation du.ring most of the time. When we exercised we found out we bui lt up quite a bit of extra heat. I would then move the inlet hose to a position along side of me, along my left leg, and tie it down along the side pedestal with the opening facing upward. This would provide more cooling into the basic cockpit area and woul d actually keep me a lot cooler then I had been before. We found out that without suits on, the cockpit actually became bigger. There was more oppor tunity to move a.round. You could move the body, there was lees hesitancy to exercise, less resistance to exercise, you could get to things easier. You actual ly had more con trol and more comfort without the suit on. We stowed the suit on the seat, putting the visor a.long the outer part of the top of the seat rest a.nd doubling the legs back against the back of the seat. We stowed the harness in the juncture of the back and the seat of the ejection seat. During zero g we were floating up and we never touched the back pa.rt of the seat. Borman I have some flight notes tha.t I will just read out for the record. Ventilation without suits, The bypass hoses on the Gemini provide excellent return ducts for the suit compres-
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Source text · mention only79 sors. They were mounted with the inlet on the outside wa.11 near the individual crewma.ns outboard knee. The suit inlet hose wa.s then positioned to secure different !low patterns. ]ecause no provision had been made for special inlet hoses, only two positions were tried. The one most often used was the suit inlet hose located near the inboard shoulder point ing forwa.rd. This produced a flow pattern from righ.t to left down across the body. The body was never really in the flow but a very comfortable circulation pattern was set up. The other primary pattern consisted of leaving the suit out let hose in the same place, but putting the inlet hose nea.r the outboard lrnee, pointing 90• from the direction of the outlet hose. This pattern al so produced a comfortable flow pattern. In truth, I believe the cabin is so small in volume compared to the amount of air introduced by the suit circuit that almost any- arra.ngement would provide enough &ir to provide efficient cooling. We also have some sketch es of how this went. Lovell We also believe, after spending several dteys without suits on that the theory that at zero g there would be no con• vec'Ji.on cooling ••• :Borma.n I am sure that there isn't a:riy, due to oha.nge in the heating condition.
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Source text · mention only80 .. Lovell The mass of the air being pushed out by the compressors is enough to give adequate flow throughout the entire Gemini cockl)it. We had no problems with air flow. :Borman It would have been a very, very difficult task to stay in those suits for 14 days, i f not impossible . We cer t ain ly woul d have been in much worse shape when we got down. Lovell I believe so. We were requested from Houston to try the hose position evaluation where by the inlet and outlet hoses we.re together. :Borman Yes. Lovell We tried it and to be perfectly honest, with the small cock pit and the 8.lllount of flow out of the inlet hose, we did not find much difference, it was adequate, but it was awkward to use it that way. We di d find out that if my exhaust hose was put on Frank 's side t hat we would get stagnant spots on my side of the cockpit where although I wasn't uncomforta- ble ... :Borman •.. that is with yo~ inl et hose being turned off. So all these flows were introduced on my side and both the return hoses were on my side. Lovell That is right, they were on your side. I found stagnant areas, I wasn't uncomfortable, but I did find stagnant area.a where there was no flow going on on my side. You have to
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Source text · mention only81 have adequate positioning of the exhaust and inlet hoses. Borman I think really to solve the whole problem, if you want to design efficient cooling for suits off operation in space craft, design it the same as you would on the ground. Lovell Right, I think you are right. Borman You would have no problem. For instance, in J110st 0£ the airp lanes now that are pressure cooled the flow is so great across them that you have a continuous flow patte:r.n 1n there, coming out usual ly .f.'.rom one inlet located up around you:r right shoulder a.nd a couple 1n around your feet. I don't think you have to worr:, about the bll88,boo of no convection in zero g because it is overshadowed by the large kineti c energy input through the l arge amount of air . Lovell Cabin pressure was 5.5 on lift-off, came dow.n to 5.1 and st!cy-ed there exactly 5.1 for 14 dqs . It did not move when we jettisoned the ad&pter and went on the bottles, it stqed exactly 5.1. The only time I saw it move was on the water when we used all the o:zyge. up and it went to ze:ro. Borman Well, i t was below 5.1 when we opened the :Inlet Snorkle. Lovell Inlet Snorkle.. yes, that is right. Borman You were talking about the inlet bottle pressure. Lovell Yea, tb&t•s right , the bottle pressure.
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Source text · mention only82 :Borman The temperature va.ried with the suits on and the suits off operation. I have gone through my notes here, and I note that it says when we both had suits on and we were just barely cool enough with both suits on and the :B pumps run ning. On the other hand, when we were both out of the suits, the :B pumps only running, we were very comfortable. When we were up working and opera.ting, we noticed that the temp erature level in the cockpit was just right. We were run ning most of the time with the suits full cold, the heat exchanger full cold, and maximum air flow on both controls. Then for seve ral days when we went to bed, we left the con trols that way, a.nd we would wake up very cool. Lovell Well, there a.re several factors . I think the size of the Gemini cockpit and the fact of & completely closed loop system is very dependent on 2 factors. One was the heat output of the people and two was the amount of heat you get in through the windows due to the sun. At night our heat output decre ased, we put up shields on the windows, includ ing some aluminiz~d foil to reflect the sun, and I think the combination of both these things with the system s we had during the day time really dropped the heat in the cockpit. Then, during the day when we were active and had the windows open a.gs.in, the temperature increa.aed inside the cockpit so
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Source text · mention onlyit was very com.fortable. Borman That is right but the last couple of dqs we turned dollll the suit flow at night and it helped out. Lovell To compensate for this thing we turned down the suit flow. Borman There's a lot of inertia in the cooling system and it takes & long time from the time you make a move on the oontrols before you can feel it. Lovell Just to regress here one minute . When I was out of the suit and Frank was in it, we put my suit flow to .i'ull decrease &nd his to full increase to give him ma.rlmum cooling in the suit. I was not uncomfortable with the full decrease flow in the cockpit. Borman The humidity in the ca.bin was higher with the suits off. It W&s a much more comfortable cabin. Your skin di dn't get dry, and the nose problems we ha.d the first 3 or 4 cla3"s went awa::,. I am not sure that we ca.n contribute this solely to beina' out of the suits or whether it was the fact we were becoming more acclimated to the 100 per cent o:r:ygen. Lovell We have some accurate figures. I believe thou&h, that with suits on the humidity-temperature ra.nge w&s &bout 20 degrees difference. With the suite off they went a.round 10 degrees, I suapect. :Bo:rman We have them &11 there. The onl y time the CO jumped at &112
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Source text · mention only84 was dlll."ing t ape dumps, it would go up a.nd then come b&ok down but we lrnew this before flight though. Comfort dq a.nd night, with and without suits .. .There is just no com parison .. I have the notes that I wrote down while we were still up there. There is no comparison between suit on and suit off operation. The suit off is 1,00 0 per cent better. I think I may have been conservative. It wa.s ma.ybe a lot better than tha.t. Comfort without the suits was by and large very good. We used the cabin fan only once in the entire mission during one of the checks with the suit off. This was when we had Jim's ■uit inlet hose blocked off &nd my inl et hose operating in my side &nd the two suit outlet hoses in my side of the spacecraft. As we already mentioned here, Jim noticed some stagnant areas in the ap&oecra.ft, and • we turned on the cabin fan to see if this aleviated the pro blem, and it did help. There was a definite circulation with the cabin fan on. The only problem is the cabin £an draws a considerable electrical load, and we did not have the power to run it continually. The cabin pre ssure r egu lator worked perfectly, it never worked at all . Lovell That is right, never heard it, thank goodness. :Borman That's the pressure relief valve. Right, never hea.rd it. It never actuated. The cabin pressure regulator was ae
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Source text · mention only85 Lovell ~SD :rep Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell :Borman steady as a rock . AB Jim ha.a already mentioned it st~ed 5.1 the whole flight, a.nd•I never saw it budge at a.11, until you opened the snorkel. Right. Cabin vent va.lve. We had a double vent valve with the tip bent up to protect t he stop. We never used tha.t until we got down to the check l ist during the reentry portion of the flight. The Cabin Repress V~lve was on the entire flight because we had the M-1 Experiment hooked to it . Then, of course, we actuated it aga.in when we got on the wa.ter just to get some cooling oxygen into the spa.oeora.ft. I have no oomments on i t, we bad no problem with it, the friction had bean in crea.sed on it so tha.t it worked quit e well. It st!cy"ed in the open pos i t i on for the entire fligh t. l et Valve, we used •.• Just during the reentry phase •. Right. Just during the reentry phase . •.• with the snorkel valve, th&t is when I whif f of that stuff through there. The Ca.bin Air In t hink I got a All the time with the suits off, we were running with the Cabin Air Reci.rcula.tion Valve closed. The r est of the time when there was one person in the suit and one person out of
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Source text · mention only86 the suit we r&n. with it in a 45 degree position. When both people were m the suits, we ran it in the 45 degree posi tion. Lovell I'd like to make one comment· on the C&bin Inlet Valve, I think a. future procedure woul d be to either open the visor or unzip the hood prior to using the snorke l va.lve, so you do not get this concentrated ambient flow into the suit in a small concentrated area. Okay. Primary o2 System Monitoring. Borme.n Prima:ry o System Monitorin g was no problem. The cryogen2 ics bottle for ECS o2 orygen did vent •.. I think i t was a.bout the 8th d~ it start ed venting. Performance of the cryogen ics bottles have been outstanding. The first one, ECS o2, started venting tod~. And we were still adding heat to the other two bott l es. Let's see, this was Sunday morning so that woul d have been the 8th day that i t started ventmg. The quantity measuring system worked fine. The flow rates were adequ&te . I just ca;nnot emphasize enough the desirabi l ity of going without suits. The press ure a.nd temperature remained just nominal. We had dome plots &boa.rd the spacecraft, and we checked them out. We had to use the auto heater on the ~S o2 bottl e perhaps, the first two days or so and then we were able to turn the heater off complete-
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Source text · mention only87 ly. That bottle had a big enough heat leak so that it main tained pressure itself. As I said, it started venting on the 8th day. We never used the manual heater on the E'.JS o bottle.2 Lovell As a matter of fact, the prilna.ry o2 helped, rather we util ized the primary o2 to pump up the pressure on the ro o2 sometime in the early pa.rt of the portion of the flight. Borman Yes, we used the crosso ver valve. When you hit the squib or when you hit the switch to open the solenoids, even though we had been led to believe that i t takes some time for that pressure to build up, it looked to me that it went to about 250 in the FC o bottle almost immediately. It2 went from 100 to 250 almost immediately. I imagine it will come down when we talk about the FC o2 problem. Borman Secondacy o System Monitoring was nothing, we checked it •••2 all the time, but GO/NO GO decision once a~. It stS3"ed exactly the same throughout the entire flight--5400 and 5300. Lovell It did not budge at all. Borman Quanti ty meaaur ing.• we do not measure except for pressure, and as we said that stayed constant. Flow rates, pressures, end controls were nominal in the secondary o2• You could not tell when we had gone off the primary onto the seconda.ry
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Source text · mention only88 o2. We have already talked about the co2 partial pressure. It was below zero the entire flight except during tape dumps when it jumped up due to a glitch that the tape dump puts in the TM system. Radiator operation and configuration ••• We ran radiator on all the time except for two checks that were made. Actually when we opened circuited the fuel cells be fore we brought them back on the line, we went to RADIATOR BYPASS twice. Then we went to ·RADIA'IDR BYPASS once when we wanted to get the water out of the ECS System. One time during the flight we were picking up water. This might be a good place to cover that. We were picking up water coming out of our suit inlet hose, in quite large quantities. We called the ground, and they suggested that perhaps the vater boiler was not venting. They called up the procedure that included putting on evaporator heat, turning off the radia tor and going to bypass on the radiators and rota.ting the spa cecraft at 10 degrees per second. This threw out large amount of water and things got back to normal. Later on in the flight we noticed the same thing, but we were busy align ing the platform and other things and we did not want to setup rol l -rates. All we did was put the suit coolant to warm and put both suit fans on and blew the water out of t he system, and that worked also. We did notice that during
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Source text · mention only89 the flight, down in the vicinity of my right foot in the center pedestal lower area there, around the cabin heat exchanger, we got a lot of condensation. It was very wet on the walls a.nd the blotter paper was sopping wet, a radius of about 12 inches on the lower right pedestal, on my side. I do not know how it was on your side. Lovell It started getting wet on my side, the inboard. Borman Yes, inboard side. That is the only place in the spacecraft that I noticed any condensation. As far as I know the evap orator only operated during l aunch and the first orbit. We also had one other day when we woke up and were tumbling quite badly and the wall temperatures were 16 degrees to 20 degrees lower th.an we ever recorded tb1;!m before. I suspect that the evaporator might have worked that night. We men tioned this to the ground and ••. let's see, I have some notes on that. Lovell It probably got filled up from the moisture going into the system. Borman This was noted in the data for the cabin temperature surveys also. I don't remember exactly what day it was, where we noticed this big change in temperature. Lovell It was &bout 5 or 6 days after the mission started, wasn't it?
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Source text · mention only90 " orma.n Yes ..here it is here ••• it was 158 hours a.nd 27 minutes when we got up, a.nd we had a. wall temperature of 64 degrees and a. pilot ha.tch temperature of 66 degrees. Comparing this with 144 hours and 5~ minutes, the hatch temperature had been 84 degrees, so there was a. 20 degrees drop du.ring this one evening. ~ I attributed this, plus the fact th.at we no ticed la.:rge drift rates when we woke up, to the fact that the water boiler must have been opera.ting during the night. It was the only time during the flight that we noticed these large drops in tempera.ture .•. the very cold wall tempera.tures. We were on double loop, B pumps most of the time. Finally, went to A pump twice in the flight when people were in the suits in order to at~ cool. We went to double A pumps, of course, when we were powered up. Lovell We bad one time when we bad one A pump on. :Borman Twice we had it on. Lovell Twice, but just one primary pump. We did not go to two A pumps. l3orma.n No. A pump in the primary loop was on twice to keep cool. Lovell Right. The second.a.ry loop A pump was not on. Borman Never on except during periods when the platform we.a running. Lovell Right. Borman Now, as I mentioned before, when we were running both B
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Source text · mention only91 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell pumps with the suits off, it was comfortable. When we got the suits on, &nd both B pumps going, it was not enough to handle the load. It was .marginal. That is right. Normal mode was all we used on water manage ment. Never touched the--- Never touch the condensator. The drink gun worked as advertised. One thing I would mention is the fact that this logging every ounce you drink was an operational nightmare. I think the gun is adequate for flights if all you want to do is to know the total quantity of water that is going out for balliet purposes or CG purposes. I do not think there is a requirement to know just how much each crewman is drink ing as long as it is adequate. There is no need to log, all you have to do is report counter readings once a da,y for the guidance people and .fuel cell people to know just how much water is being consumed. Right. It says flush mode. We never used the Flush mode or Evaporator Fill mode. 8.5 Communications The interphone Operation and Quality was okay, without the
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Source text · mention only92 hood on. The G5C suit ma.de communications poor, because of the flow of the air to the hood. Other than that I thought the interph one was pretty good. Borman Yes, we should mention the fact th.at the G5C suit with the hood zipped did introduce a lot of noise. Lovell Yes, a feed back into those two mikes and there was a lot of noise. Borman The quality of the interPhone was excellent. With the suits off we didn't use them most of the time, just like t alking in a room, so we didn't need it. My UHF was a little fuzzy during countdown. Lovell Mine was good. :Sorman Yes, yours was good and mine was a little fuzzy. I could hear people all right but they claime d that I was a little weak. In orbit, I just can't say enough nice things about the UHF. Lovell UHF was exce llent in orbit for the entire 14 da;ys. v~~~ little static. High quality reproduction. Borman With the squelch on zero. Lovell Right, the s~uelch on zero. Borman The UHF performance during recovery wa.s excell ent. No peo blems with that at all. Lovell We did have trouble getting back to Houston.
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Source text · mention only93 :Borman I was very pleased with the entire Voice procedure operation a.round the world. I thought they did 8J1 excellent job. We didn 1 t have a:ny problems at all. They were quiet when they were requested to be during our sleep period. Lovell They were outstanding. :Borman They were outst&nding, yes. Lovell The voice tape recorder operat ion was fine. There were no hitche s as far as operating the voice recorde r. It was easy to, well , that's three feet of change. We used mostly the CONTINUOUS mode rather than the MOMEN111A.RYa I used MOMENTA.RY when we just wa.nted to m&ke a comment. As a. mat ter of fact, I think the MOMENTARY position does save a lot of voice tape, because you dontt have it on and forge t it. However, we had a p rocedur e with the voice tape that was going to record the quantity of urine that was dumped. And this led us to leave the voice tape on quite a long time when we weren't doing anything or saying anythin~-and using quite a bit or tap e. I think that i t would be helpful if we had some sort or a little light of some sort to let you know that t he tap es on. When we have a flow meter which was being eval uated for future flight s and might be a standard piece of equi pment then it would certainly be nice to have
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Source text · mention only94 some indication if the tape is on. On long flights you can't ha.ve the tape on all the time like the short flights- you ha.vet o conserve tape. Cartridge change was no problem. The controls were adequate. Data Recording? We tried to record as much data as we could. :Borman We didn't indulge in a l uxury many times of recording both in the log book and on the tape. We only had 20 tapes for a 14 day mission. If we got a good representation of it in the log book-we didnJt put it on the tape. Now, we find out we probably brought back some unused tapes, too. Lovell We did. It was hard for a 14 day mission to adequately budget the tape. We would try to budget it so th.at we could get the in:f'orm&tion on there 'Without leaving long periods of inactivity on the tape. However, we didn't budget it well enough, and we left about 1 or 2 tapes without any record ings. :Borman Digital Command System updates were good, no problem--every thing worked fine. Real-time transmitter, and delay-time transmitter were no problem. As a matter of fact, tb.at whole system I thought was excellent. The only problem we had in the area of Digital Command System or the telemetry was th.at we lost the tape recorder and ••• goofed up the de- 1,cy-ed time. The procedure that we worked up for operating
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Source text · mention only95 with Spacecraft 6 in the air, I thought went very well. It posed no problems. Communications Controls &nd Switches Voice Control Center, Audio modes, Keying and Antenna Selec tion, were all nominal. We might mention in Sleep Configu ration--we never used the Sleep switches bees.use we had the situation where we pretended it was night and went to sleep every evening and the ground never cal l ed us. I don't think they ever violated that for the 14 days. They never called us during the sleep period. Lovell So that worked very well. Borman Beacon Control was no problem. We didn't use the Reentry C-band Beacon until reentry. The TM controls, tr8Jlsmitter, and antenna again were no problem. It was operated just a.a advertised due to all instructions from the ground. 8.6 Electrical Borman Now we have some interesting things to talk about. Lovell Well, we monitored the electrical system pretty closely. Borma.n Yea.h, I guess we did. Lovell The only thing we can say here is reiterate what we have probably said before. On lift-off we had delta Plights come on for fuel cells--both sections. 1 blinked on and off several times and went off. 2 blinked on and off several times and stayed on through insertion and stayed on
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Source text · mention only96 most of the t ime during the 14 days. We have recorded in the fli ght book of the flight pla.n--those times th.at it went off and on to the best of our lmowledge. I'm au.re we missed severa l of them. Borman When we we re sleeping particularly. Lovell When we were sleeping we missed them, but it appears to me that there are two things now that these fuel cells have & lot more latitude than we really first realized: 1) We can oper&te with the fuel cells with delta Plights on more than we thought we could . .As a matter of fact , we were doing normal purges with the .t'uel cell delta Pligh ts on whioh the systems book said flatly not to do. But we had some excel lent guidance a.nd ass istance from the ground in keeping the sections running. Borman I think so, too. Lovell I think that's what kept Stacks 2C and 2A going as l ong as they did go. The gauge is a little inaccurate to monit or the system. If we are going to have troubles with fuel cells as we did on this flight, and if the ground is going to keep requesting accurate stack a.mp readouts. The gauging system is poor because it is ha.rd to read accurately the amps when they are down in the low 1 and 2 amps. Each indicator is canted a d ifferent way-alternately throughout the 6 stack
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Source text · mention only97 readouts. The ones that are canted inward away from you are hard to read. Bor:ma.n The fuel cell, as Jim said, was an interesting thing. We finally lost stacks 2A and 20 about the 11th or 12th day. stack 2B re.mained on and I'm sure there is a whole history written on the ground of the things they did and tests they ran at McDonnell when we were in the air to see just what they could do and how far they could go with these fuel cells. I thought they did a.n excellent job,and we ended up being able to run them the whole time. As a matter of fact, we turned on our Squib batteries about the 10th day-used the Bua Tie switches and were running entirely on the f'uel cells the latter part of the flight.
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Source text · mention only98 Borman The onboard cues for monitoring the el ectri cal syst em are adequate. We found out one thing in this f light , t hat is the Delt a Pligh t s really don't mean a lot . We had been told before the flight never to purge if you had a Delta P light. We ended up violating every si ngle one of t he ca.r- dinal rules that we had. I think the t hing to note about the entire electrical syst em was the f ine work done on the ground. They came up with soluti ons. They evidently were runni ng simi lar t ype cel ls at MAC, St. Louis, and they kept the m worki ng f or l onger than they should have. Fuel cel l operation, as far as I was concerned , Secti on 1 was i deal. Section 1 maintained its share of the load the whole fl ight. Section 2, we lost stacks 2-A and 2-C even t ual l y, I believe on about the 12th day. I was a little concerned on the 13th day with the stat us of Sect i on 1 becaus e we had had a delta Plight on Section 1 f or t he firs t time and we had been running almost 24 hours. But, t he ground came through and read us up a technic al report fro m St. Louis that explained the whol e thin g. I t made me feel a lot easier when they did that. Rather than having t he ground comment blindly on it, "the fuel cells are going to be good for 24 hours," I would like t o get a
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Source text · mention only99 Borman little background information on it. How else could we know it was going to be good for 24 hours, and what had they done to prove it would be good for 24 hours? They read it to us over CS~, it eased my mind a lot because I wasn ' t anxious to miss the WASP. On the 13th day, I wanted to be able to go the full 24 hours rather than have to land in the Pacific. So the whole story of the electri cal monitoring, as far as I a.m concerned, was great work by the ground. The main batteries held constant between 22.5 and 22.7 amps for the entire mission, and we checked them once a day at the GO/NO GO stations. When we turned them on · 2 hours before retrofire they carried their share of the load and were operating fine when we were i n the water . We turned off the squib batteries about the 10th day and used the bus tie switches. We ran entirely on fuel cell power for the last five days. When t he squibs came back on, the voltage was 25.5 after they had been turned off for five days. They operated properly for the last 2 hours of the flight. s.7 Onboard computer During t he l aunch it was absolutely a nominal case. The pitch status, yaw status , and roll status , w ere zeroed except for a brief period at guidance initiate when they went out about 2 to 3 degrees , and then zeroed. We had no violent
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Source text · mention only1JO pitch down at guidance initiate . Attitude indications were nominal all the way through. At insertion , the nomi nal velocity on address 72 was 25,804 and when we read it up, i t read 25,80 4. The orbit maneuvers using the computer and the platform were right on the money. The accelerome ter bias did not vary, and we burned them off on the IVI 1 a by insert i ng them through the MDIU, and it came out very well . I did not burn on time , we burned on t he IVI 's. Borman The updates were all made in the PRELAUNCH mode as agreed on before fl i ght . There was no prob lem, no mi sunderstanding, I think F0D did very well i n this regard. I know t hat in Gemini 5 t here was a little mix-up, but we had none of that. Borman Retrof ire occurred automa tica lly at the exact second. All four Ret ros f ire d and the IRS was right on the money. Reentry guidanc e was nominal. I t was very si mi lar to the si mulat ions that we had f l o.m. There was one littl e anomaly in the guid ance, i n t hat we were gi ven back-up reentry angl es of 50 degr ees. We computed wi th our onboard char t s a reen try angle of 50 degrees, back-up angle of 50 degrees. But t hen after tracking, the ground called up a 35 degrees which proved to be closer to what we actua lly f l ew. I am s till not aware of the reason for change; why it changed from 50 degrees t o 35 degrees. The important t hing i s t hat it did change and the ground was able to update us in rea l time, and it agreed very well with the a
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Source text · mention only101 Borman Borman The MDU worked perfectly the entire flight. Computer modes, PRELADNCH, ASCENT, CATCH-UP, RENDEZVOUS, REENTRY, were all perfect , no anomalies in any of those, 8.8 Crew Station Controls and di splays, The sequent i al tel elights o~erated exactly as programmed. At minus 2:56, t hey came on to the second. They a l l turned green when they were punched, no prob l ems there. The event timer was used only intermittantly throughout the f light for timing, and for the last 20 minutes. It worked f i ne. The IVI's also worked exactly as planned. The Flight Di rector Indicator was again, a nomi- nal case. One sli ght difference between the simulator and the Flight Director Indicator i n the spacecraft, was the little outer roll gimbal i ndi cator in the simulator always came up to the top. I'd grown used to flying the reentries by using that as a lift vec t or. In the spacecraft when we got all set up for reentry, low and behold, the outer roll gimbal was down at the bottom, so I had to fly the reci procal of it. But it was just a minor change and I ended up acclimating to it with no problem. I think it is just a function of how you happen t o go through zero. If you go through zero just a little bit to one side, the gimbal goes to the top, and if you go through the other side, it goes to the bottom.
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Source text · mention only102 Borman GLV fuel and oxid i zer pressure gauges were nominal. The concept of sticking the decals on the outside of the gauge is poor at the best. But, we all know this has been done, and they're not going to change the gauges, and it worked fine. I would suggest never going this way again. I think we ought to change the meters in the future. Borman The alt i meter worked fine. The only problems we had with the altimeter was when we were oscillating violently on the drogue , it was not indi cat i ng descent. As soon as the drogue oscillations st eadied out , the alt i meter came down very well. Rate of descent indicator was likewise. As a matter of fact, I can't tell you what the r ate of descent · was after we opened the main chute. The main chute was so good when we looked at it. We didn't see any gores or frays. And when we went to si ngle point release, I didn't even look at the rate of dascent indicator. Did you? Lovell I couldn't see it. Borman Did you even think about it? Lovell No, you mean to tell me you didn't look at the rate of I descent indicator? Borman We could tell from the altimeter we were going down very slow. The accele r ometer seemed to give us slightly lower values thttn the recorded. I think on the reentry the highest value we got was 3.9 g's. During launch the highest that
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Source text · mention only103 was recorded on the a~celerometer was about 6.75 g's. I understand that the actual value was over 7. On the nominal profile, it i s. Lovell Was the reentry a little higher than 3.9? Borman I don ' t know, I doubt if it was, it was so near ful l lift. Switches and circuit breaker panels. We had a coupl e of cases knocking of f circuit breakers. We did have one fuel cell control ci rcuit breaker pop on us twice . Lovell I am not real sure i t popped. I don' t know whether I hit it ina.dvertantly twice. Borman No, you didn't. The second time I watched it pop. Other than that, I thought the switches and circuit pane l s were well located. I think it i s very important that we have those guards on there, particularly with changing suits. Lovell The fuel cel l switches, the power and control switches, should be LIFT to move switches. They should be over center locks that you have to lift to move them up. There was a guard over i t, but still it was so easy to reach up there and hit those things . I was al ways worried about throw i ng the control switch of f, which would have really foul ed up the fuel cells. Borman You mean like the squib switches? ... Lovell Yes, like the squib switches. I think that is the way they ought to be ~ecau se you never touch them unless deliberately.
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Source text · mention only104 Bo·-m.a.n Yes, that is a switch that is never moved unless there is a failure in the fuel cells. Lovell They should be a little better type of switch than they are. Borman Mirrors. Operating without suits on, I found that I seldom needed the mirror. I don't believe I used it more than 2 or 3 times except to check and see how far m;r beard had grown. Row about you, did you? Lovell Well, they were good for things like looking way back in the corner, and shining a light back there. Borman I was mobile enough that without a suit on I could turn around very easily and see all around. There is no question you need the mirrors. I am not suggesting even remotely that you take them out. With the suit off it cuts down the need for them. The swizzle stick we used once to pry up the center line stowage bracket. When we opened the center line stowage after launch, the bottom bracket sprung down about ~/4 inches, and we bad great difficulty to close it. We only closed it twice during the flight after that. We just kept it velcroed partially shut. Lovell I think the boost acceleration sprung it out of position. Borman Either that, or when they put that fix on there to beef it up, it resulted in an out-of-tolerance eitua.t ion. I hope · that the people did not fo~ce it shut and then let us take off that w~. That was a pain in the neck to get it shut.
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Source text · mention only105 Lovell We had to use the levers of the swizzle stick to get the thing back together again. This was bad. We also used the swizzle stick to keep the manual heater switch down on the FC H which is a real big pa.in. I t is a very a.mall swit ch2 and you have to hold it for a long tiine. That gets to be a lot of trouble. Borman Lighting, indicators and instruments . There is one instrument in the spacecraft that should be lit that i s not. Tba.t is the digital timer. That is the most valuable instrument onboar d. We used it continually, it never varied one second in 339 hours. We never had to reset that once. It was exactly on the money. We checked it periodically and it never gained or lost a second. Lovell But it had to be lit. Bor.man It should be lit because it is right on the center panel, and there is no lighting on it except for the bright l i ght from the back. Ma.ny times at night and when you are trying to :maintain dark adaptation you end up having to use the flashlight on it. Lovell It should be a red light for night work. In the day time you don't need it because the cockpit is lit up anyway. It really ruined night vision to turn on that flashlight to find out what time it was. Bor:ma.n The left panel was fine when it was lit up with the display ~
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Source text · mention only106 light. The center panel and the right panel were all right. There is no question that the lighting system on the LEM is superior. Lovell We used the red lighting more than I thought we would ever use it. We never used it in simulations. The red lighting turned out ve-ry nicely when we started looking out the window, using the stars, getting oriented and things of this nature. Borman The pedestal, console and circuit breaker areas just aren't lit. Same way with the water management panel, when you wanted to check that,the only thing you could do was use your flashlight. It was not a big problem. The little flashlight that CSD developed, and put in, was one of the most valuable pieces of gear we had. We used it continually throughout the flight, it is much more valuable than finger tip lights. I see no reas on for fingertip lights because you're not going to fly with gloves on most of the time. If we would have had them, they would have been stowed. This little flashlight turned out to be a little jewel. The utility light I did not use once in the whole flight. Lovel l I turned mine on once to see if it worked. Borman The flashlight was much easier to get to. We velcroed it right in front of us, and it was very handy. And at the end of 14 days it seemed as bright as it was before. One
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Source text · mention only107 of the serious deficiencies in the flight was the dirty window. Lovell I just talked to John Erinkman about the film. He said a lot of it was good, but a lot of it they could tell the window was dirty. Eorman What about the booster film? Lovell They haven't processed two rolls of film yet and they don't have the Polaris launch yet. The Houston one turned out sort of hazy and I thought it was a clear day. He told me there was haze on the ground . Borman Did they see Houston all right? Lovell They could make out the International Airport. :Borman You took that with the 250 mm. lens . Lovell The high speed film. They don 't want to process it until they tal k to us to find out what kind of ex:posures we used. We had all kinds of ex:posures. I think the picture that was in the paper was from the 16 mm. camera. The window was very dirty. And I have a ... a picture was taken of it. Shows the ... Borman Jim drew a sketch of the window in the S-8/D-13 log. Lovell There was a greenish, greasy film over the whole thing right in the center. Outside of that was a sort of a haze or fog effect. Right along the outer edge, it was clear. If I focused on the nose of the spacecraft it would be blurry.
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Source text · mention only108 Just off the nose it woul d b lurr out. There are two theories, one group of peopl e sey it's the nose cover that is ablating on launch, others sey it is staging. We saw quite a bit of flame at staging and it looked like there were severa l streaks there caused by staging. There is also a general depos it like a stagnat ion point right there that might have been built up during the entire launch, which might be the nose cover. So, it might be the combination or both. Borman It might have accumulated due to the urine dumps throughout flight.seve~al times we saw urine crystals come·back e.nd hit the nose cone. We never saw them actually hit the window. I am not sure that some of it, that was practically invisible, might have hit the window. It did seem to get worse with flight. l-zy- window was not nearly as bad as Jim's. Lovell Frank's was better than mine. Whenever I could I would give him the cameras to take a picture. He did a lot of the Apollo landmark and S-5 and S-6 pictures while I was controlling the spacecraft. We have to improve the windows somehow. We've got to have some sort of cover or get some certain ty:pe of material. The windows were perfect when we got in the cockpit. The problem they had on GT-5, where they had fog and humidity because of the difference in temperature when the White
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Source text · mention only109 Room was dismantled, was not there this time. Intensity control was good, no problem. We had two white lights in the center cockpit, this was our request a long time ago, and after using it I think we ma.de a mistake. We never did use the thunderstorm light that we stuck in place of the red light. Right now Frank and I think we could have used the red light again because we both did use red lights a lot more than we thought we were going to, for night work. It gets your eyes accustomed to the night, and you can see the airglow and stars a lot better. If you have bright lights on in the cockpit , at night, with glare off the window and your eyes adjusted to the white ligh ts, you could never see out. It ' s just black . Onboard data: checklist cards preparation, excellent. I think the people who made them up , Chuck Stough , has to take a personal bow because I think that he did an outstanding job of making up all the onboard data books and cards. They are very , very good. What we did was, tear off the lift-off cards prior to reentry and just had the reentry section, so we wouldn't get mixed up. There are several minor things which we could change to make it a little bit more compatib le , like getting one card with all the data on it so we didn't have to flip the cards back and forth when MCC gave it to us. As a matter of fact that i s exactly what I ended up doing,
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Source text · mention only110 I took the core card, and after I read the various cores for the reentry parameters, I got the nominal IVI's, also the bank angle updates and things of this nature, all on one card·. Then I went back to the other section and transposed them in there . :Borman One of t he most i mport ant things about the checklist on this flight was t he fact that we had them about a month before the fl ight. We used them in training, and the peop l e respons i ble for that di d a great job, Chuck Stough and Ted Guillory. Lovell That is important. On GT-4, because of the newness of the system, we were sti ll rearranging cards and books just prior to the f light. Learning from that flight, on GT-7 we really gained a lot by having the cards and books early in the game so we could train with them. Checklist cards usefu l ness was outstanding . :Borman The maps and overlays were fine. We carried the larger orbital display m.e.p. I'm not really sure we needed it. It was a little cumbersome i n the coclq)it. It was all right, but general areas would have been just as readily available on a small map. When we were doing the Apollo landmarks, particularly those with coastal features, I thought Apollo landmark • maps were entirely adequate. I did not see any- reason for photographs. If you really want photographs, the
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Source text · mention only111 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman best way to do it would be to fly over them with an airplane and then change the scale to whatever you wanted it. The photographs were important , but I don ' t think you have to spend valuable fuel and time to get them. An airplane can do the same job getting photographs that we need for Apollo landmarks. That's right. No quest i on about that. I found it difficult to move the map overlay. It got better as the flight went on. Yes, because we wore it in. The overlay we have , with periods , orbits , and the map underneath , I think that can be improved. We needed a very simple device with two rollers on the end, or some system a little bit more elaborate, but a lot easier to handle. I don't know, it worked all right toward the end, Jim. If you get it too elaborate, or too easy to roll , then it is going to change on you. It has to have a system where it can ' t change . It was valuable. You knew where you were all the time. We used it more than we used the star charts. Mainly, we - used the star charts for the no platform burns, for retro fire posit i on, and for SEF and BEF positions. By and large the maps and overlays were well prepared . They were available early to us. We knew how to use them and i t
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Source text · mention only112 was a very , very fine job by FCSD people responsible for them. Borman Data books: We were using a system that was started in GT-4, furthered in GT-5 and I think it is working out very well . If there is any derogatory remarks on it at all , it is the required amount of logging you have to do. It is really a double entry system. But, hopefully this will cut down the postflight activities and give people a better idea of what they are looking for. I would not suggest even for a moment that we change it. We did delete some of the redun dancy to endeavor to save voice tape. We tried to log everything in the book, but many of the things we did not put on voice tape that were already in the book because we wanted to save the tape. We only had 20 tapes for 14 days. Everything that was done is in the books. Most of the critical things that were time significant are on the tape . Borman Star cha.rte, Polar and Mercator. We used the Mercator almost exclusively. Lovell I'm not saying the Polar was not any good , but the Mercator was very adequate and we knew how to use it. I enjoy that particular ty:pe of chart a little bit bet t er. Borman It was preference more than anythi ng else. We did check the Polar out during flight and it was apparently accurate. I didn ' t see any reason to change thos e star charts either,
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Source text · mention only113 did you? Lovell No, I think we have enough stars on there. I think they're adequate. Borman Stowage at l aunch was a l i ttle gruesome. When we got in we found all the stuff stuffed on the floor over our feet. Once we got into orbit and started going through our pre arranged procedure there was absolutely no problem. We used the food bags to put the refuge from each meal in. We usually stored three meals in the front until we were ready to dispose of them, and then we would put them behind the seat. We filled the debris guard areas we had behind the seats in about eight days. A.fter that we stowed the used ones in the bags we had. For reentry, we placed them over the seats as we had done before. It worked fine. Lovel l When we first started training for the flight , there always seemed to be a de-emphasis on exactly how much we were going to stow . For instance , the size of the food bags was a lot smaller than i t turned out. The size of the tissue we used was a lot smaller. I think that we ought to look at it realistically early and make sure that we get the right s i zes. We were led down the path there on that first stowage rev i ew in St. Louis. Borman Yes. W e caught up with it on the third one though. We doubled the si ze of everything.
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Source text · mention only114 Lovell That i s right . :Sorman We took an actual meal and ate i t and got the refuse . Lovell It was very fortun ate that we did this . It caused us to l ook for new places to s tow t hi ngs. :Sorman As it was it worked out real f i ne. The cockpit was cleaner when we ree enter ed t han when we left . Another i t em that was very helpf ul from the cockpit cleanliness standpoint were these by-pass hoses with the screens on them. They acted as vacumn cleaners on the whole flight. All the gar bage and refuse would get collecte d on them. We could clean them off and put them in the bag and it worked great. Lovell We never had any l arge amounts of dandruff or anything floating around. Borman The harness we took off. All you can say about the harness i s it is a nece ssary evil . Once you get it off , it is tough to st ow. J i m, you sat on yours , didn't you? Lovell I stowed mine between the seat and the back of the ejection seat because it was a dead spa ce for me . :Sorman I stowed mine on the outboard si de of t he seat. We neve r took the life vests off the harnes s. :Sorman Waste disposal and stowage. We used the aft food boxes for the defecatio n gloves and the urin e sample bags. Ji m filled up his first and then I started filling up mine. We ended up putt i ng one day of food and some other refu se in the t
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Source text · mention only115 left - hand food box in addition to the defecation gloves and the urine sample bags. One thing we :might note is the horrible odor every time we opened those boxes to put some thing away. Lovell It was a necessary evil, Frank. Borman We were a little concerned when we opened the vents on the boxes for the reentry that the smell might be with us for a couple of hours, because we had to open them early before we put our suits on. But evidently the vent is just fine. It is large enough that it equalized the pressure, but it is not large enough that it lets the odors escape into the cockpit. e.9 Biomedical Oral temperature measurements and thermo.meter, no p:roblem. Although, it seems strange to .me that we have to have a TM temperature. That thing got in the way. Lovell Yes, the tube got in the way and floated around, and you almost poked your eye a couple of times with the thing. I t is a thin probe. It is very awkward because there are two of them. One is in the lightweight headset, and i f you do not have the suit on, you have to stick it down through here. If you have the helmet on, it is supposed to be sticking out here, and it gets in the way. If they want inflight te.mperature , we should take along a regular
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Source text · mention only116 thermometer. We had a lot of glass in the cockpit. I do not see why we cannot carry some sort of a plastic thermo meter. It seems ridiculous to me to have to TM a temperature, Borman I must admit I did not even know I had a blood pressure cuff on except when I filled it up. It did not cause any skin problems or anything. It is probably as good a way as we can go. Lovell It seemed like I pumped up nzy- cuff a lot more inflight than I had to on the ground for the same measurement. Sometimes we would not get the comment that, your "cuff is full" from the ground until after your arm was quite puffed up. Some times your arm really got to be sore. I do not know what you can do about it. Borman We used the M-3 equipment not only for the medical or the crew status passes, but we used it regularly three times a day. It is a very valuable piece of equipment. It ca.me in very handy and it certainly was useful for this reason. guess there is some reason for it for medical data. I did not understand why we could not stow it the last day. We had already checked and they sai d, "All right, go ahead and stow it, you do not need it." Later they said, "You have to unstow it. We want to get one more pass on you the last morning of the flight." After 14 days of flight I did not understand why we needed it, but we did it. Jim left it out, I
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Source text · mention only117 actually . You left it right over the circuit breaker panel, didn't you? Did it come out during reentry? Lovell No. There was no problem. Borman There is no water problem. Lovell There might have been a little air in it because we got air in the food all the time. I do not know how it got in because the food packages were evacuated. We would put the gun in and pump it up with water, and yet there was air in the food every time you opened it up. There was probably1 some air in the water, but it did not bother us too much. Borman No. I thought it was a minimum amount , too. The water tasted good. It was cool• The gun, as we have already commented, was very adequate. I think it is inconceivable that we continue to have to log drinks the way we did. I think if people want to know how much water you drink, you can read them off the counter on the gun, and that is it. We went crazy logging these things by numbers and counter numbers and everything else. It is operationally unacceptable. Lovell For flights that are not primarily medical all they have to have is a counter reading once or twice a day for the systems p~opl s, They could just divide it by the number of crew and come out very close to what the actual consumption per man i s . Borman The food , I thought , was by and large very good. One
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Source text · mention only118 Lovell suggestion on the food is that they try to reconfigure the meals so that Meal A is more like you would think of as a breakfast, with :maybe SQme toast, cereal bars, and sausage pattiess rather than fish, potato soup, and clam chowder for breakfast. The idea of .making our day like a regular Houston day was a very, very valuable one. I t would also be rather nice to have the meals correspond to the type of meal you would eat on the Earth. We ought to have a break fast that is brea.kfasts a.nd so on with lunch and dinner . One breakfast we bad shrimp, sauce, peas, and I think potato soup. This is all right, but it would be more desirable to have had something like cereal cubes and sau sage patties and things like that, so.mething you are more used to. The disinfectant pill crumbles. They would crumble when we got them out . The pieces would flbat about, and if they got in your eye they burned because i t i s a chlorine base pill of some sort. It happened to me once early in the flight, and it happened to Frank towards the end of the flight. We had to use the exhaust hoses to vacuum down the spacecraft to get rid of these things so we wuld not get the'!D. in our eyes. I think tha.t we can probably go to eo.me thing better in the future. There is a lot of roo.m for i mprovement in food. It was good. It was adequate. We
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Source text · mention only119 lasted 14 days. We could have lasted a lot longer on the food. But that does not mean there is not room for improve- ment. Borman The concept, as far as packaging and everything goes, is good. What is lackin g now is really an adequate quality control for uniformity. If everyone of the food bags had been as good as the good ones, there would have been no problem. Some of them did not have velcro on the.m, some of them burst, and that sort of thing. Lovell You could get the soups out of the spout very easily, but trying to get tuna salad and shrimp and sauce out of there was a real job. We should change the size of the spout according to the type of food we have. We noticed at the beginning of the flight that dry solids were especially bad. Borman Yes. Beef bites and bacon and egg bites are horrible and should be deleted from the menu. Lovell GT-5 reported that the beef bites were crumbly. Every single package of beef bites that I got out was crumbs. They would float all over the place, and you had to get out your exhaust hose and gather them all up again and throw the.m away. If we did not ba.ve that technique, did not have the screens on the exhaust hoses, they would either go into the ECS sys te.m or float around. I could see where GT-5 got an awful lot of crumbs floating around.
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Source text · mention only120 Borman Sleep periods . This is one of the areas where we really made a wise decision. We decided that we would sleep simul taneously on the regular Houston schedule. We did slide it back every day to correspond with the precession of the orbit . When we were scheduled for house-keeping and sleep , we would close up the windows. We found that the polaroid filters were not adequate t so , we cut up an aluminized food bag and placed it between the window and the polaroid shield . Then, it was really dark inside, it cut out the heat, and this left us with a real simulated night. As far as we were concerned, it was night time . We would get up the next day , go to work, and it kept us regular. It kept ue relatively on a constant type of schedule. I thought it was very , very good. Lovell We are going to have to go to that for any of the long flights , any of the lunar missions. For any of the long flights we are going to need to use a regular Houston or Cape day and not change the routine . Borman On Apollo , with three men, you proba bly will have to stand a watch. Lovell True. But still, you are going to have to keep from getting too irregular. I thought sleeping in zero - g was very com fortable . I slept like a log that first week. Borman Yes, I had trouble s sleeping . The M-1 was the culprit. It
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Source text · mention only121 was a pain in the neck . We decided to leave it on though on the theory that if we turned it off the first thing the experimenter would say was, ''Well you turned it off'. It was not a valid test ." Then some crew in the future would have to fly with the thing. So, we left it on for two weeks and listened to it "clank ". As far as I know it didn ' t do any good. Maybe that ' s the end of the M-1. Invariably, in a state of semi - consciousness it would rouse me again. I did not like that. Lovell Sleep configuration was very easy. You just clasp your . hands t ogether and hold them there. When you wake up your bands are still clasped together. There are no pressure points. You can have a book up there , go to sleep holding the book, and wake up the next morning and the book is still right there , still at the same page . It was outstanding. If mattress companies ever find out how to make a zero-g mattress they would really have a fortune . Borman Sleep period mission briefing. It followed the way we were briefed. Very good. Lovell Fl ight control l ers were very outstanding . Keeping quiet during the sleep period. As a matter of fact, they even call ed up Wally one time and told him to be quiet. Yes, they told him to be quiet . It was our sleep period. Borman Everything went fine.
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Source text · mention only122 9. 0 OPERATIONAL CHECKS 9.1 Apollo Land.mark Investigation Borman We should first mention the weather because this casts some reflection on the whole i dea of Apollo l andmarks as a navi gational aid. The weather was the big bugaboo i n this flight as far as achieving any Apollo land.mark photography . I do not know whether it was the particular t argets we were trying to get or what. Invariably, there were clouds. Lovell As can be seen from the map , anything south of 15 degrees north l atitude in Africa is no good for Apollo landmarks because it is i nvariably cloudy. South of 15 degrees north l at i t ude is invar i abl y too cloudy for Apollo lan d.marks. Borman Right. Lovell All of South America is out . As a matter of fact everything . south of 15 degrees north latitude all the way across the m~p is no good . We found out that North Africa and South west United States and parts of Mexico , as prev ious crews stated a long time ago, (that includes Saudi Arabia , Paki stan Valley) have predominantly clear weather in the morning , but not in the aftern oon . Borman The Red Sea area was one of the clear areas all the t i me . Even the South-west U.S. and Mexico were clobbered most of the time on our flight .
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Source text · mention only123 Lovell Right. Weather is the big bugaboo on Apollo landmarks, or using earth land.marks for Apollo. Borman The acquisi tion data was good. The pointing data was good on all the experiment updates, except for one. They missed the time on an S-5. We caught it, and did it ourselves be cause we knew where the a.rea was supposed to be. The point ing data given was great throughout the flight. The updat ing wa.s fine. We bad no problem.a at all. Pointing instruc t ions were good. Borman Concerning taking acquisit i on photographs for the Apollo l andmarks, it was pretty dam hard to determine any t hing when we pitched 30 degrees down to pick up the landmarks. We could not pick out the air f i elds or anything. We would point the camera and take a picture, but we did not lmow what we were taking pictures of. We could not see it with the naked eye. I am thinking of the airfield in Braz il. We took this acquisition picture without any idea of what we were taking a picture of until we finally got to the nadir. Then, we looked down and could see the runw~. I think it was in Belam Province in Brazil . The weather was a very definite f actor in photographing the Apollo l a.nd ma.rks, and of course, it wuld be a very definite factor in using the Apollo landmarks o Lovel l We had to use the sun angl e that we had at the time we got
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Source text · mention only124 over the target. Borma.n Evidently the people who called them up were taking this into considerati on, because the sun ang les for a ll the Apollo l andmark attem pts were good as far as photogra phy goes. Sightings were tough on a lot of them, primar ily because of clouds. Lovell Apollo l andmarks of i nterior Afr i ca, whi ch they gave us severa l times, (like islands, lakes, Leopoldville in the middl e of the Congo) , were very difficu lt because there is nothing down there but jung le and little streams and things. Borman By far the best l andmarks a re interf aces of beaches and water. Lovell That i s right . Sandy beaches with blue water. There is no doubt about that. Borman There i s g ood contrast, and with a good map you do not need the photogr aphs . I do not understand the value of the pho tographs, I do not see why they do not engage the Army Ma.p Service to aer i a l photo gra ph these areas and print the pictures acc ordi.ng t o the see.le they want. It would be a rel ati vely easy j ob to do and certainly would be much less expensive than taking the fuel to do it on an operati onal mtssion. Borman The designated targets were clouded over more often than not. We did take some alternate targets and pointed out
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Source text · mention only125 some prominent featu:res along coastlines in Africa. We have them logged and we will be able to go over them with t he Apollo landmark people. Even an area like Dakar, which you would think would be a r elatively clear area, we tried three times to photograph and each time it was cloudy. Lovell Mostly in the afternoon. Borman The maps and Apollo landmark data package was all right. One of the problems with the maps was it is difficult to orient the map segments on the page, so that several of the targets were anywhere near the middle of the map. You might end up with a map with an Apollo landmark right on the edge of it. It is then difficult to associate the surrounding terrain with it . The big map that we had in the front of the book solved a lot of this problem . We could get the big picture from the big map and then go to the detailed one for the detailed pictures. Borman Photographs, 350 and 352, the Cairo area, you don't need a photograph of the Nil e River running into the Mediterranean. That was one of the most prominent features we had. The Suez Canal , the Red Sea, and the coast of Arabia were loud and clear the whole flight. The junction of the two rivers, the white Nile and the blue Nile, were also very prominent. Again, you did not need a photograph to
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Source text · mention only126 determine those. Lovell The Red Sea and the Gul f of Eden as it goes into the Arabian Sea were very prominent. Borman Yes. Lovell The 90 degree bend was very , very prominent . Borman We have a difference of opinion here , but I thought the maps were entirely adequate. Mountains were, as far as we could tell , adequately portrayed , al though , we did not have any landmarks that were in the mountainous area. Most of ours for some reason were in the tropical areas and they were cloudy all the time. The cities that we saw were by and large over the United States . Lovell We did not really see much in the way of cities. We saw the Australian cities at night , we could see the lights from the m. Borman We saw small towns along the coast of Mexico. Lovell Also South America . I wonder what the difference in alti tude does to visibility of landmarks? I am sure that your visibility is going t o really go down. I think that is what happened. Borman Maybe , although when we were in an orbit of 120 by 178 , I could not tell the difference. One differe nce of course , is we were in the darkness at 178. When we were r eally looki ng we were around 120 to 140. I never got the feeling
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Source text · mention only127 that I was going up hill or going down hill in the elliptical orbit. Lovell We saw one good airport. I thought it was Ellington, and it turned out to be Houston International. Borma.n We also saw that one in South America very well. I t stood out loud and clear, that white runway on the Apollo landmark. When we finally got over it there was a break in the clouds and at the last minute we got a picture of it. Lovell Airports in general would stand out. BOl!l!liBl1 Coastlines are the answer. They are by far the beet land marks you have. I do not think island s a.re too good for landmarks unless they are relatively large; small islands are tough to pick up. Lovell And they are usually covered by clouds. Borman Color contrast between land and water was very good, parti cularly along sandy beaches. We had onboard some photographs that were taken on GT-5 with the actual scene we were viewing. We were able to compare the color of these photo graphs. We found it then to be very, very close. One strange phenomena is that greens don't come through. The very green jungles of Brazil and Africa appeared almost a brownish-mustard color. The predominant color is blue, even at night time with a full moon. Lovell I thought the jungle even iooked blue, bluish-brown.
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Source text · mention only128 Borman Perhaps , the colors were a little deeper i n the photographs than were the landmarks but photographs are very adequate presentat i on of colors . I think probably any variance in the photographs i s d ue to vari~nce i n sun angle . Lovell We understood the targets well enough , I don ' t see any problem there at all . W e didn't use the maps with gloves on. You can hardly use anything with gloves on. Borman The best t hi ng you can do with gloves i s t ake t hem off and stow t hem as soon as poss i ble. Lovell The Apollo Landmark Book size was adequate. Any smaller size in maps gets to be too thick or too small , and you really can't read them in detail. I did like the big map of the world broken up in four sections, because that gave us a good approach to the targets. We could use that much better than we could the orbital plotboard . Borman Probably all you need is that big map cut up in four sections and then a small scale map of the specif i c area. We don' t need the darn phot ographs. Lovell It's the thickest thing we had to stow . Borman Spacecraft control. As far as tracking ground targets, you coul d always achieve the rates in PULSE mode. Fuel was nominal , PULSE was no diff iculty . We tried to tak e everything at a 90 degre e angle. We had no problems wi th space craft control to acquire and take pictures of the Apollo landmarks.
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Source text · mention only129 Borman Certainly this factor of weather l eads me to believe that the whole idea of na:vigating Apollo by a landmark needs t o be reevaluated. It seems to me that a much more desirable feature woul d be a series of radar beacons placed thr oughout the world, simil ar to the ones that are used by SAC, or some type of electronic gadget not dependent upon cl ear weather. You cannot choose the weather you want, and in our f ourtee.n day mission, for about el even days we had lousy weather. The number of primary targ~ts photograph ed. How many did you photograph? Lovell We have nine Apollo l andmarks logged in the Apollo land.mark secti on: Sequence 85 - clouds at nadir. Sequence 137 - no luck , clouds overhe ad. Sequence 94 - unable, because of c~0uds. Took a point of land nearby. Sequence 58 - Cloudy. Sequence 70 - Okay. Sequence 85 - Just weather is the remark. Sequence 108 - Clouds, resulting in poor picture . Sequence 130 - Weather. Sequence 97 - Weather. Most of the l andmarks they gave us, that were down below the 15 degrees north l atitude ended up with weather.
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Source text · mention only130 Borman The number of primary targets photographed was 1. Evalua tion of sequence 350B and 35IB, I maintain that the maps are entirely adequate. We evaluated them looking at the Cairo area and the Dead Sea, and I see no reason for the photographs. Jim ha.a a different feeling about that. 9.2 Cabin Lighting Survey Borman We did not have. We have already talked about the lighting, glare, the dirty windows, and so forth. I felt that this was a pain in the neck, and I would like to make sure that somebody got some usef ul data out of that. We went around the earth in the HORIZON SCAN mode once with the HF transmitter on, and I wonder i f there i s anything at all going to be learned from it. Lovell I am beginn ing to wonder whether the HF system is worth the cost to put it into orbit. Borman You might be better off with another UHF set. Lovell That is right. Go to something that is compatible, like single side band. Borman HF was adequate when UHF was adequate . .As far as any over the-horizon transmission with HF, there was not any. Lovell It was very, very poor.
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Source text · mention only131 Borman The reception on HF during the fl i ght was very poor. Lovell Right. 10.0 VISUAL SIGHTINGS 10.1 Countdown Borman We did not have any visual s i ghtings. No wasps, bees, bugs, or anyth:iJlg in the spacecraft. 10.2 Powered f light Borman I did not loo k out at l i ft- off. Lovell I think we went thro u,gh clouds , didn't we? We went through an overcast. FCSD rep I t looked like Frank steered i t right through a hol e in the overcast. Lovell Could anyone see us after we went through the overcast? Or was that the end of i t? FCSD rep No, the hole was big enough so that you were in sight. Lovell Could you see staging? FCSD rep No, you dis&ppeared from sight before staging. Borman At BECO the spa.cecra.ft was enveloped. in a yellow flame. BECO &nd sta.ging &re so cl ose that you cannot tell the difference. Engine 2 ignition was very smooth, no noise, no bang.1.ng. The horizon ca.me into view just like the simulator. Ve-ry, very adequate presentation. At SECO I did not notice a thing, just & stop and a oessa.tion of noise. I did not see
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Source text · mention only132 any flames, debris or anything. Although you did at Fairing Jettison and Spacecraft Separation. Lovell On Fairing Jettison, I saw debris fly, especially during the turnaround. l0.3 Orbital Flight Borman As for .man-made objects sighte d, we took sightings of the booster. We had no difficulty in sighting the booster at turnaround and in station keeping with it. We maintained the flashing light in sight throughou t the firs t orbit, we saw them on the second orbit, and the third orbit during the night phase. Lovell But you could not tell distance by the flashing lights. Borman No. As a matter of fact, I think it would be impossible to tell distance at night unless you have some sort of illutnination. Lovell Yes, if the lights are illuminating the vehicle, by spread ing it over the vehicle, maybe you could tell. You cannot tell the way they are now. We picked up Spacecraft 6 on the final rendezvous phase, I guess at about five miles. Is that right? Borms.n Right. Again, this is entirely dependent upon where the sun is. Spacecraft 6 was able to see us a long time before we could see them, because we were in a position where the sun
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Source text · mention only133 was reflecting off our adapter, and they were in a position so that the sun was not reflecting off their adapter. It is a strange phen omenon, but it is entirely dependent upon the sun. Once we acquired Spacecraft 6, it certainly was no problem of maintaining a visual on it. It was no different than it is on the ground in the daytime. Lovell I agree. Borman We sighted two satellites. We saw the Minuteman reentry at exactly the right time and exactly the right place. It looked l i ke a meteorite. Lovell Very brilliant. It broke up toward the end . Borman Very brill i ant, it broke up toward the end, and there were several different pieces flying around . I was surprised at the speed at which it went in. I was also surprised at the control authority required to track it. We did get on it though before it broke up and went out. I hope they got good data on it. Lovell We saw, what we think, were two sat ellites moving. Borman Yes, we took IR readings on one of them. It was a de£inite satellite in a polar orbit. We took photographs of two satellites in the polar orbits. One of them was below us, crossing from left to right, and the other one wa.s above us, crossing left to right. We picked them up first in the handle of the
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Source text · mention only134 Big Dipper. It was definitely a satellite, and ~e tracked it on the IR and we used the recorder. It will be interesting to see if they got any data of it. We were never close enough to see any satellites and to pick them out as far as definite features. Lovell They were just points of light. Borman Just light points. There certa inly was not any problem viewing the ground. As we have already mentioned over the radio, we were able to see the Astrodome. The horizontal markings, or the east west markings, on the S-8/D-1, pattern stood out loud and clear when we acquired it. It is very akin to flying an ai rpl ane at high altitude. Roads stood out well, rivers stood out well, and beaches particularly well. Towns were a little more difficult to determine, but when you had them you could easily see the l ayout and appar ent size. Also, the atmosphere made a vast difference. If there was any sort of haze or cloud , it definitely cut down your vision. When we finally got over the Himalayas in daylight, it was easy to see why it was so clear. lovell Haze does affect sightings from space as well as it does from airplanes. It is very similar. If the area is pretty hazy, it is goi ng to decrease tr:e contrast of the ground, and makes viewing ground obje cts very difficult. Where you have
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Source text · mention only135 excellent viewing is where the ai:r is clear. It is the same way with airplanes. But, I think you ha.ve a better chance to look below than you do in an airplane. There is a better chance of seeing something, but you still have the haze problem. Borman When we first got up a.nd had a f'ull Moon, we did not see lDA1'cy' more stars than you see on an ordin&ry flight at thirty or forty thousand feet. However, during the latter pa.rt of the flight with a quarter Moon, we found that there were more stars visible. We have a d:rawing here of the number of stars we could see in the Pleiad.es, which b.&e been recorded. Lovell The big thing to remember here is the fact that the Moon has a big effect on the number of stars you see and which ones you can use for celestial navigation. Borman Right. Lovell If the M::>on is full, it is the predominant feature in the sky, and s:n:y stars near the M?on at the time are washed out; and they are very hard to use for sextant sightings. Borman Right. Same way with the Milky Way. It is not very appar ent when the M:>on is full. Lovell In reverse though, when the Moon is full the Earth is a very good reference. Borman That's right. It's a blue reference with white clouds, very
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Source text · mention onlyvisible. Cloud coverage, there was a lot of it. The first three days were relatively clear and from then on there were lots and lots of clouds. About the only area that was consistently clear was the Sahara and the Red Sea a.rea. The States were cloudy, as was Mexico, South America, Southern Africa, and a great deal of t he ocean was cl oudy. Lovell The entire area of the Pac i fic Ocean was cloudy. Borman Again we ca.n reiterate that i t w ould be pretty tough to count on being able to observe specific landmarks at ari::t" given time. The horizons were interesting. In the daytime I never noticed much of a difference between the horizon. We've drawn pictures of them with little notes beside them that have been carried back, and which will be published. We noticed the difference in the horizon end the air glow l ayer between a f'ull Moon and a no Moon. When we had a f'ull Moon there was a definite Earth l~er, then almost a normal blaclmess, and then a definite band of ai r glow. When we had no Moon or a quarter Moon, the area between the Earth and the outer air glow wa.s more milky. Lovell That's right. For sextant sightings the best thing to use, during a full Moon, was the bottom part of the air glow or the Earth's horizon, which was probably the upper air hori-
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Source text · mention only137 zon. And with no Moon, the best sextant sighting spot to use was the upper air glow, because it was the sharpest of the two. The area between the upper air glo w are a and the earth's horizon was too milky during a no Moon to get a good sharp contrast (you could see stars through it), but you couldn't find out exactly where the horizon was. So it varied between full Moon and no Moon. Borman Very drastically too. Also, your ability to pick out the earth, and determine yaw from earth's passage wi t h no Moon, wa.s zilch. With the full Moon it wa.s just as good as it was in the daylight. Lovell The fuon is very bright up there, very bright. :Borman Both atti tude a.nd translation thrusters firing were apparent. The a.ft firing thrusters were not apparent. But the- forward . thrusters were apparent &t night and so were the transla tional , up, down, sideways. The attitud e t hrusters were also apparent with puffs, sort of like subdued flashbulbs appearing out to the side of the window. They wer e just little flashes of light in the ba ckground, and we couldn ' t determine &nything from them. wvell We couldnJt determine a.nything . l3orma.n But you could on Spacecra.ft 6. wvell On Spacecraft 6 t he thruster firings looked as though they
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Source text · mention only138 went out about forty feet against a dark background . You could see this light haze going out about forty feet. It wasn't a bell shaped pattern, as we thought it was going to be, but it was like a garden hose, straight out. At a distance we could not see the bright flash of ignition in the chamber itself. All we could see was the haze going out. But as we got in closer, we could start picking up the bright flash, ma.inly because of attitude I suspect, as we were getting closer to see it. It had no effect on our spacecraft at all. They actually fired about twenty feet away with their forward firing thrusters to us, and departed. l3or:man They got in back behind us in the adapter and fired their forward firing thrusters and .made the curtain jiggle. 1 don I t know how far away they were when they did this. 1 hope they can tell us, and give you some idea of the effect that these thrusters :might have on the EVA Mission . It ' s just like firing a rocket at night. I guess that's the way we expected it to look. That is exactly what you are doing, firing a rocket at night. 10.4 Reentry Borman We retrofired in the darkest, .most dis.m.al part of the night slcy-, and we didn't see anything. We didn 't see Adapter Separation. We didn't see My of the retros fire. We d.idn't
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Source text · mention onlys.ee Retro Pack&ge jettison. At reentry we didn't have a light ed horizon at 400,000 feet. We didn 1 t have a lighted horizon until we were below 400,000 feet. This was not particularly to my liking; although we picked it up about 330,000 feet. After then, it was all right. Lovell We saw ionization. Borman Yes, we did. Lovell The whole window started to be just a glow outside. Then it got into the ri?18S of this ionization layer. It started out to be just glowi?18. Borman When we went subsonic it looked like there was a bunch of steam and flame that engulfed the nose eection. I think this may have been when the spacecraft finally went subsonic, right before drogue deploy. You could see the spacecraft oscillations, and you could reference them with the drogue, which was relatively steady. You could also reference them with the sky. You didn't have any stars or anything, but you could just pick out the motions across the sky. At times it was pretty viol ent. It would be intereeting to see the magni~u.d.e of the oscillations and the rates. Borman The drogue deploy was very evident. We saw the drogue chute. We saw the Rand R Can come off, and then I saw it following us down in the parachute, off to one side. Main chute
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Source text · mention only140 deploy was very nice. Lovell Ma.in chute deploy, vecy enjoyable to watc h. Borman During landing and recovecy we had the S2F in sight before we ever hit the water. 11. 0 EXPERIMENTS 11.1 Celestial, Space, and Terrestrial Radiometry (D-4/7) Borman I think we have more valuable data on D-4/D-7 than all the others put together. Lovell Right. Borman Updating techniques and communications procedures were excellent. Evecything cal led up on D-4/D- 7 was right on the money, including the time and pointing locations for the reentcy vehicle. Lovell They did an outstanding job of giving us the right information onboard. Borman We were perfectly trained in equipment setup and usage. Jim didn't have a question about it. I think ther e was no problem at all. Lovell We got evecything going. I hope that we got some good data. Borman Cooled Spectrometer checks were nominal.
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Source text · mention only141 I don't know what else to say, as far as we lmow, every thi ng was perfect, it's all logged, they have the records, they have the TM. Lovell We saw the needle go down when we jettisoned the fairing cover after the fifteen second timer delay, after we did our separa tio n maneuver. I saw the cover go by when we jettison ed. Borman Did you? Lovell It is r ight above the right hand windo w. Borman I did not see tha t . The booster measurements were no problem at all. It was ju.st like the wa;y the simulator worked. It was just fine. Very good. We had no problems making t he reticle measurements. They were very close to zero on both the IR and the spectrometer. Power- down procedures. Did you have any? Lovell No. Booster background measurements were no problem at all. Borman Okay. The Milky Way measurement without the cooled sensor was performed exactly on t ime. We had no problems with the equipment. No problems with any of this.
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Source text · mention only142 The Void was very easy t o p ick out a~d to take the readings. The Zodiacal ligh t test was deleted in real time. We substituted Sirius for the Zodiac al light. Borman The star measurement s were done with no proble m. Night l and measurements are not ed on the tape and in the log book. We did ~ave some problem with t hese becaus e t he night land was covered with clouds. So we were tryi ng t o skew the spacecraf t al ong and avoid clouds. I'm afra id that we may not have always missed the clouds. The same situation exi s ted with t he nigh t water measurem,~nts. We had very good luck on the Pola.:~is . We had good luck on the Polaris a~d good luck on the booster. We shou ld h,ive had pretty good luck on Gemini 6. We were abl e t o t rack it . We had good luck on the sled. Lovell We hope we had good luck on the sled. Borman They called us up from the ground and said they had a thousand percent on t hat.
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Source text · mention only143 Lovell You could track the Polaris launch in PULSE. Borman You could track everything in PULSE excep t the reentry vehicle. The reentry vehicle was pre t ty fas t and you had to go t o DI:-tECT. Lovell I have to give cred it to the personnel, the experimento r , Brent nall. :Borman He hus t l ed and he did his work. He made sure that we knew what we were doing. It was well done. Lovell This is the firs t mi ssile t hat was ever l aunched from a submarine, their ORI, I guess. To launch at the exact ti.me so that we would be i n the exac t position, I thought was an amazing piece of coordina tion among all people involved. :Borman I just hope t hey got all the data.
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Source text · mention only144 Bormar1 We always had the ACQ off when we were transmitting. The only possible problems that we could have had with thi s expe=lment was when we lost our ~ape recorder. We could not put some of the data on tape. We had to always take the data over a receiving station. Lovell Or use the recorder . Borman Or use a recorder. Lovell One problem which we did ha.ve a.nd which I was not briefed on was the fact that I inadvertently l eft the gear on one time and it gave a nine second pulse on the main ammeter system. We could not figure out what this glitch was coming in on the Main Bus. Borman This was right after we lost the thru s ters . We thought there might have been something in the ACME bias power or something in the in,rerter that was breaking down and putting out a glitch. We called the ground to tell them we found it and they said t hat i t was exactly what the ground had thought it was. Borman Cloud illumination lightning; we got some good lightning shots for them. Day land measurements, we got. Ascension Cali brat ion was done twice .
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Source text · mention only145 Lovell Listen, that was do.ne twice? Borman Yea. Lovell Was this the NADIR t o 35 degrees West? :Borman Yes. Lovell Of course we nev er saw Ascension so I d i d n ot ... :Borman Yeah, we neve r saw Ascension but i t was the locati on of t he area where we wanted t o find. Lovell I think we di d that once, or di d we do 19 once? :Borma.n Yes, i t i s t he same thing. Cumul us clouds. We got some cloud measurements. Star measurements, the onl y the thi ng we got there was the l ightning. Cel estial measurement. We got that. The stars, we did not get the Zodiaca l l ight. We got the stars, the mil kyway, the void. 23 Moon measure ments. We got the Moon. We got all the missi l e measure ments. I d o not think it is necessary for us to record i t off our log book. Lovell We missed the Titan l aunch. Borman Yes, we di d not get the l iftoff because of clouds. But we picked t hem up when we picked up their contrai l s. Lovell Yes. :Borman We als o thr ew i n an extra sate lli te. It wil l be i nteresting t o see if they got any data out of that. The
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Source text · mention only146 Sun measurement was done. That was a real interesting one, because in order to get the Sun, we had to put up t he polaroid lights , and wear sun glass es, and then poi nt at it. Lovell Hot Earth Measurem ent s: we had that bi g fire in Nort h Africa that was there all the time. That was a t arget of oppor tunity. We got Hot Earth Measurements of t hi s f i re in Nor t;h Afric a. Borman The t ape record er was used properly. Voice recorder usage was adequa t;e. Flight cont rol procedure: the only time we had to do anything a t; all differen t was to go to DIRECT t o pickup t hat reentry vehi cle . The res t of the t ime it was a very well organized, well bri efed , well t rai ned , a nd I though t a well -run exper i ment. Lovell That i s r i ght . I thought i t was quite a bit of data and work t o do in that experiment . Borman As a matter of fac t , I t hink the equipmen t on thes e represented about 3½ million dol lars. So it was a pretty hefty piece of equipmen t . 11. 2 Star Occula tion Meaw,_e~e.~-t. _(~}) Borman Now we go from the sublime to the ridiculous. The star occulation measurement D-5. The equipment
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Source text · mention only147 never worked and we fooled around with it for hours trying to ma.lee it work. I a.m sure somebody is going to sit down stairs now and ground check it okay, but, it did not work. Lovell We did everything and we traded it back and forth to .make sure that both of us saw the same results. Borman We had been briefed on this, we used it in the set up at St. Louis where we had seen how it changed. We had bad adequate briefings. We had accurate presentations on it. Lovell Primarily you could not calibrate the equip .ment, the reticle would not change fro.m red to green. Borman We made a couple of measurements where we just used the calibration lmob at a certain setting and let it alone. But this equipment was inoperative. I thought it was a little strange, too, when they called up and said, ''We have just found out that this equipment is sensitive to RF interference." "Turn off all your transmitters and see if this affects it." I think we ought to know before we go charging into the 3rd or 4th day of flight that the equipment is sensitive to RF interference. It see.ms to me tba.t perhaps there was not a very good Qual. test done on this piece of gear. I have
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Source text · mention only148 nothing else to say about the D-5 except the equipment did not work. Lovell Well , star acquisition and identification, which has nothing to do with the equipment, was outstanding with the chart. Actually , I would like to put in a little pitch here, for the sill!Ulator, because the visual part of the simulator was a big help. It gave us a good idea of what we could expect in flight. And the Planetarium's work was very valuable in conjunction with the simulator. I think that we did not waste time with any of our star recosnition stuf'f. They did come in handy. As a :matter of fact, if you really get to know that celestial sphere, you can really get around without the earth. 11.3 Simple Navigation D-9 Borman Jim used this test exclusively. He was trained at Ames. But we actually used the sextant down here before the flight many times with the experimenters. We used it in the simu.lator. Lovell Let me give so.me comments on this sextant. There are a lot of co.mments on the tape. Number one, the D-9 sextant alignment
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Source text · mention only149 was fine , the sto p watch was an excellen t idea. The lighting on the sextant ang le reading was too brigh t . It was a whi te bri ght light. Everytime you read the sextant out you lost your dark adaptati on because we wer e looking at this whi te light. And al l it had to be,since the spacecraft is dark anyway if you are l ooking a t stars, is red, or dimmer l i ght to read the angle out . The r eticle was f ine during the f irs t pa.rt of the flight, and then f or some reason it became a double i mage . I found out that I never used the reticle dur ing the full M.oo.n or eve.n at hal f Moon I could see the dark line s without having to light up the retic l e. One of t he big things about the sextant, the mechanica l aspects , was t he fact that the l ight was not spli t 50- 50 between the upper prism and the lower telescope. It was a 20-80 split and therefore one image woul d be bright and the other one dim. This was fin e if you went from the start of the horizon where you would hav e a bright star a.nd a dim hori zon. You had a contro l , but if you went from, say, two stars to measure the ang le between two stars to check the al i gn ment of a sextant, (because the ang l es are already known) one star woul d be bright and the other star rea l dim if you got them within a certain ang l e of each other. But as soon as you got that other dim star, then the bright
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Source text · mention only150 star, you cou ld not tell when they were over l apping. Lovell You had to have two stars of the same magnitude in lock . So, I had pract i ced and trained in the one with the 50- 50 split which I thought was a lot better than this 20-80 which we f i na l l y ended up with. And this a lso is true when you t ook star t o Moon limb shots becaus e they had it arra~.ged that most of the light ca.me from the Moon. Eighty percent of the light passage was from the Moon and they had f ilters t o cut that down. And 20 percent came from the star . Well , the fi lte rs were not dark enough for the Moo.n, and as soon as you got those stars somewhere near the limb they just faded out of view. You coul d not see it so you had a hard time getting star to Moon limb shots . Lovell We noticed one big thing i n navigation with the sextant. Wi th a ful l Moon , you a ~e going t o have a hard time using the stars under the Moon. It just blanks out the light. I t is j ust too bri ght , i t dims the stars and rui.ns your dark adaptati on. On no Moo.n nights or quarter Moon nights, most of the stars come out and the na.vigati o.n i s a lot better . We found out a l so on full Moon nights as we said before , that we'd use the bottom Earth's hor i zon , whi ch i s pro bab ly an upper a ir hor izon and had the shar pes t l i ne of i dentific ation f or angl es.
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Source text · mention only151 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman · Lovell On no Moon nights, the whole a i r g low layer seemed to be of the same consista.ncy. And the sharpest part was t he upper a ir glow l ayer where we could bring stars down to it. Did you f ind it difficult at times to get the stars acquir ed at the angle? Right. We found out , due to the window design, tllat if the stars were not lined vertically with one another , if we were taking star to star shots or star to Moon shots , i t was hard to get the sextant lined up. The best way to hold the sextant was t he way it was developed originally, just up a.nd down. If you had to move it around here to get a star over here,or horizonta l or angle shots, you had to move the spac ecraft around to get the window in line, to get all the view. Now we ooul d shoot angl es up to about I think 45 degrees, if we had the right window alignment and had bright enough stars. But anything above that and most of the time around 35 to 40 degrees, one of the two, either the upper pri sm or t he l ower t elesc ope woul d get in the way of t he rim of the window and get lost to view . Then we couldn't do anything with it . I remember there were a couple of t imes when you picked up the wrong star too. Yes.
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Source text · mention only152 Borman Even though you know the star very wel l , using the system of esti mating the ang l e i n ahead of time, you l eave your sel f open to picking the wrong s t ars. Lovell Yes, one of the big thi ngs about t he sextant is you have t o be sure you can identify the star when you are looking inside t he sextant aft er you get the thing down becaus e you might get the wrong star. That is why you should use stars in sext ant navigation that have identifying features in the fie l d of vi ew of the sext ant. For inst ance Capella was a very good one because it has the 3 litt l e stars around i t, I guess there were 2 stars, I forget . Borman Three stars . Lovell Three stars , but anyway you coul d tel l Capella when you looked through the sextant!But,a star that was al l o ut by itself , even though it was bright,you really could not tell whether that was a star or not unti l you went out and l ooked aga in,and tha t was sort of difficult . Borman We did not have any radar but I know darn wel l , if I was out tryi ng t o e f fect a rendezvous , I woul d much rather have an operati .ng radar wi th range and range rat e than I would that sextant. Lovell Wel l the thi.ng i s: there are a l ot of f ac tors that affect t his thing: window g l are , the f act that we had to t urn on white light everytime we got a readi ng, because
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Source text · mention only153 we had to read the digital clock to get an exact time of the reading, the reflection from the Moon, all that stuff complicates visual sightings. Borman Row about picking out a proper horizon? You even had trouble doing that. What horizon were we going to use? Lovell That is right. We don't know what horizon we are going to use. Borman The horizon is dependent upon the Moon. Lovell So sextant sightings are going to be very difficult. Borman And the accuracy of this instrument, as advertised, is phenomenal. But the accura cy to what? If we do not know what horizon we are measuring to. Did you mention the fact that the green filter cuts out everything? Lovell Well that is right. Yes, the green and blue filters , one of the modes as a matter of fact , was to use the green filter for the horizon. Unfortunately you stick the green filt er in there and then look for the horizon and it is gone . Borman Everything is gone. There is nothing. All you see are the stars up above, you do not see any horizon. Lovell So the filter idea was useless as far as the sextant goes. Borman Also the blue filter, you stayed dark adapted and then tri ed the blue filt er in daylight as was requested.
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Source text · mention only154 Lovell That was a little scienti f ic experi ment which we were asked to do: to see if we could see the blue hor izon line, blue air glow in the daytime by keeping dark adapted and using the blue fil ter. Borman The r esul ts were negative . Lovel l That is right . Borman Anything else ? Lovell I think we hit everything on the sextant . Borman We had no equipment malfunctions with the sextant other t han t he f act that you got double vision. Lovell And t he sextant was not as bulky to oper a te on t he space craft as it i s on l and. It is a pretty bulky piece of equipment, but it is not bad. 11. 4 Visual Acuity and Astronaut Vis ibility and Vision Test (M-9) Borman Updating tec hniques and communications proc eduresi This was an area that was outstanding. I t seems redundant to comment about it everytime, but is is true. Equipment set up and usage for t he vision test and the M-9 experiment, no problem. We tried t his in the simulat or and we tried it in flight and it was t he same. Lovell The photometer left a little bit to be desired . Borman Oh , I think we are talking not just about the tests that
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Source text · mention only155 we did every morning. The vision test and the other one. 'Borman The M-9 vision test also caused no problem. As a matter of fact we did a little interesting experiment of our own. We used the brace, the head brace and the bite board everytime but once, and then we co.m.pared the results, with and without using the head brace or bite boards, the last day. We noted this in the log book. There was no difference in the outco .m.e, so I have begun to wonder if it is necesary. One of the great points o:f interest, was trying to observe this ground observation at Laredo a.nd we picked it up 3 times, I believe. Acquisition is very difficult, be cause of the poor terrain features. I never did really see the smoke pots, but we did see the dashes that they had in the block. We had a real good pass at it a.nd we had it acquired excellently and I called off 3 numbers and they are liste d in the l og book, I think there was a 3-1-3 or a 1-3-1. 'Borm.a.n I would be interested to know if I was right on a:ny of these because you could see the:m. I should have been able to see the.m. on that one. 1-3-3, I gu.ese it was we called off. No, 3-1-3 ground observation. Lovell I had one pass where I saw it and by the time I got to see the squares or the rectangles we were already by it
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Source text · mention only156 I guess from what I could see of the thing, I think it was a 2-3 -4, that was all I had of it. Basical l y, we had a picture from Gr-5. Borman We had pictures from G'11-5 with us in the cockpit to help us acquire it . Lovell We could see the red ground with no strain at all . We knew where to look and it was just difficult to find. Borman You might mention that if they had gone to Yuma, if we had not had to change our l aunch trajectory, it would have been great. You could pick out the area of the Salton Sea ther e even from where we were, 3 or 4 hundred miles south , it stood out l ike a sore thumb. Lovell I do think though that for the amount of time that you are over the target, the amount of squares they were expecting you to read are too much. Borman Yes. Lovell Because you just cannot read that much. You have to acq uire it, examine it, and then by that time you are going over it. Borman The window measurements. We did this; it was called to do it twice , but we did it three times because of the f act that the tape recorder was shot a.nd they had to get real time ™• They did not get good TM on o.ne pass, so we did it aga in at an opportune time. Unfortunately , the photometer
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Source text · mention only157 I had not had a chance to warm up for 10 minutes. We were at such a low fuel state then that it was either then or never, so we did it, and I hope they got the data. Now this window measurement business was always a l ittl e nebulous to me. am not sure exactly what they were going to get out of it. :But it seems like they a.re scratching. Lovell I do not understand the procedures too well. I mean I went th.rough the procedur es, followed them exactly, but the pho tometer left me out to lunch. We tried to get the dope, but I do not see what they are going to get out of it. Borman We did not have mu.ch confidence in that. We did it exactly the wa;y it was practiced. We did practice it in the simu.la. tor and it is recorded on voice tape. They came ba.ck though and said that TM did not make much sense to them, and I think that is probably right. Voice tape recorder usage, by and la.rge this wa.s another experiment that was well han dled, preflight a.nd during flight. We admit that we spent a l ot of time on this one 8Jld with all the vis u.a.l a.cui ty data they got a.head of time, and were briefed by the princi pa.l experimenters ma.ny, many times. I thought that it was handled a.s well as it could be handled. The site in Aus tralia. We were over Australia
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Source text · mention only158 in the daylight --of course the site was not manned because of the few pa sses we'd have to have . When we were over Australia we didn't have attitude contro l . Lovell We might menti o.n one thing. I think with the l ong flight like we had , if we had the fuel we could have become more skilled in observing the site and probably have gotten better results . Borman No, we coul d not have on thi s o .ne , becaus e after the 3rd day the clouds were the factor the whol e t i me. We had only 3 days to observe that , a.nd everything el se was cl oudy . Lovell Okay, it was cloudy , but I suspect that the more pa sses over the thing , you woul d get better. But we just did not hav e the fuel and the weather was bad. 11, 5 Synoptic terrain (S-5 ) and weather (s-6) photogr a phy Borman Synoptic terra i n a.nd weather photography . On unusual or signific ant subject matter. Well , it turns out we did not have any unusual or significant subject matter as f ar as I know . We t ook the sequences and we took a l ot of it as gener a l photography that was not even called up. Most of the time , it had t o be done i n drifting flight. We were sorry about this , but there was not the fuel availabl e. The two sequences that wer e called up (where we were alloc ated the fue l from the ground) we t ook them. I hope they were well done. We did get some
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Source text · mention only159 pictur es over Brazil that have never been gotten before. They were not called up. We took them with the IR color shifted .f i l m. We got s ome pict ures of Mexi co t hat were not ca lled up. Lovel l We ·got a good sequence over North Afric a. Borman We got several good sequences over North Africa.. Lovell But I am sure tha.t they have been used before. Borman We a l so took a seque.nce a l ong the southern coast from New Orleans thr ough Fl ori da using color shifted I R t o eva l uate t he f ilm more than anyth i ng el se. I hope this comes in handy. We got some shots of the is l and chai ns off Florida , to see if they can determine any effect from the hurr i cane that went through, Betsy . Lovell As a matter of f act, we got a stri p sequence of Cuba too . Borman Al l thes e are targ et s of opportunity done without att i tud e contro l , but they were a ll targ ets that were listed before f l ight. We got the mouth of the Amazon, and I think that i s the fir s t time t hat has been photographed. Now on the S-6 the weather photography we tried in the l ast pa.ss to ta.ke a successive revo l ution picture of weather deve l opment. Ve got one good shot over the Andee. We a l so got some good sho ts of wave cl ouds over the Andes during the l atter part of the flight. We l ooked for hurricane or tropica l storm Alice in the
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Source text · mention only160 Indian Ocean but we never did see it. Lovell We had an S- 6 weather to get that too, but we never did see it. Borman Air to ground relay of data was good. Voice recorder usag e , thi s is one area where we are not r edundant. If we had time t o record all t he photographs we put in th8 log book and not on the voice recorder in an effort to save tape. Everyt hing that was done, though, was logged either S-5, S- 6, or in gener al photography. Now, another item that is going to degrade this was the scum on your window. Lovell Yes. The window is an area which we are going to have to work on. Borman As it got worse and worse, we shifted so that I was taking t he pictures, but I had scum on my window also. The major problem t hough, here was jus t l ack of fue l . We could not orient t he spacecraft t o cont rol it t he way we wanted t o. 11.6 Protron El ectron Spectrome ter , Tri-Axis Flux-Gate Magnetometer. Borman We turned the switch on and l eft it on. I t hink we should have reruns and reains of data, although unfortun ately wit h the t ape r ecorder being sho t , I do not know what good it is goi ng t o do. Lovell Well, they got real time telemetry over the station. Borman Right.
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Source text · mention only161 Lovell After seeing GT-6 1 s film of our back area, the straps hanging off our spacecraft looked like they were all intertwining in that boom area. It could probably foul up that boom somewhat in future flights. I mean in a future fligh t if we still had t hat same problem it mi ght foul up that boom and tear off tha t wire. There is a wire that goes out to the end of that thing. Borman All the experiment s we talked about so far were well presented before hand. We knew exac t ly what we were going to do, and the only reason we weren't able to uo it was 1) weather, 2) lack of fuel, and 3) in the case of the D- 5, the equipment broke down. I think we got a substanti al amount of S-5 and S-6 done. As a matter of fact we got everything done that was called up and we got a lot more done just in general pho tography. 11.7 Optical Communications (MSC-4) Borman Optical communications, MSC-4. Okay, acquisition of the ground t arget. I have never been bet ter locked in on White Sands in my l ife than
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Source text · mention only162 we were, when we went by there , and saw two blinks of the laser. We had the photogra ph in front of us marking where the laser was located . We saw Holoman , we saw White Sands but we never did see the beam except the short flashes . Lovell The magnitude of this laser is a lot less than either Frank or I suspected after our briefings by the experi menters and by ac t ually looking at one at Houston. Obviously this laser at Houston was a lot shorter and can be very much magnified . Borman Tracking was no problem ~ We acquired one over Hawaii; we were able to t rack it easily . The pr oblem is acquisition of the light . Lovell The light beam is a lot smaller point than we suspected. Borman And then again the big bugaboo in this whole experiment was weather. Ascension never got up, we never got ground equipment at Ascension. We never got really good passes at White Sands because we were a l ways about 300 mil es South . And Hawaii was available to us on only 2 passes . We a cquired the laser on both passes , but were not able to get the handheld laser on the beam on the ground . Borman Okay, how about the field of view? Lovell The field of view. Well , let me t alk about the equipment . Basically the equipment was fine , except for the telescope s
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Source text · mention onlyNo. 1) i t did not have as much l ight gathering as was requ ired for thi s particu l ar equipment. It should have a l arger magni f i cati on. 2) It had a green f ilt er over it whi ch was s upposed to enhance picki ng up the beam, but al l it di d was f ade out eve ryth ing . Y ou c ould not see terra in features a.nd you needed to see · terrain features t o find out where that beam was located . Borman Yes. to know where the beam was. Lovel l You coul d l ook out a.nd .. ..we had phot ogra phs of the area where the beam shou l d be coming from. And we coul d acquire i t by our naked eye by just looki.ng out and seeing i t. But.as soon as you went to the telescope of the l aser, everything faded out to this green color. Unl ess you just happened to pi ck up the beam you're l ost and I never was ab l e to pick up the beam thru the t el escope . The filter was just too stro.ng . I much prefer to hav e a c lear view . So I cou l d pick out the terrain features . The reticle of c ours e .... Borman Of course . we knew that was shot before we took off. Lovell We never had a good check of t his thi.ng t hought at night, and I wish we had had a good night pass over something, but we never did. Becaus e I fee l that we probab ly cou l d have probab l y picked up the beam a l ot bett er at night.
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Source text · mention only164 Protective glasses. To tell you the truth the one time where I was really trying to get onto the Hawaii pass I took them off . I did not use them. And they were in the way, they were cumbersome and together with the telescope, it was just too hard to find. Borman I used mine, but I did not put them on until right before Jim was supposed to transmit . Lovell Of course, I had them, I had them on and I transmitted and found out that I could not see anything so I just pulled them off and started transmitting by going back ... because as I understand it the operato r really does not need them if he i s right next to it . Borman The big word on this one as far as the retic l e goes , w~ should go back to that is for the day time you do not want that green in there. At night time you are going to need a lighted reticle. You cannot see the reticle at ni ght. Lovell That is right . So you need a better acquisition device on the laser, a better, bigger telescope with more light gath ering and clarity of the te.rrain of the target. I would imagine PULSE mode would be great for tracking the thing. Borman Yes. I tracked one at Hawaii very easily. No problems. The tracking is a nominal task, there is nothing to it.
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Source text · mention only165 But the other business of acquiri .ng,is very difficult , . Parti cularly with the reticle set. 11.8 Landmark Contrast Borman We did one of these with the D- 5 photometer . We knew it was bad, but we put the calibration needle in the full "up" position, told the experimenter that we were doin8 this and took the data. Nowt they will have to check it to see how it worked. Lovell We did :just one, Borman We had an equi pment malfunction. Right . No sense talking about it anymore. Spacecraft control was no problem. We accomplished all the meoha.nios of doing it, but unfortunately the equipment we knew was mal funo- tioning before we did it. Right? Lovell Right you are.
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Source text · mention only166 EOt~FIDEt~TIAL 11.9 Cardi ovascular reflex conditions (M-1) Lovell Got that started at, I think it is 3 hours and 8 minutes, or something like that . At 2:39, I turned on the M-1 experiment. Borman Okay. Procedures and operational problems. We had the hose coming all the way across your whole lap to get into your right l eg when it should have been put in the left leg. Lovell That is right . Borman Periods of operation. The thing was operating continuously for 14 days. And I might point out it is a pain in the neck. Because of the clanking noise . Even though it seemed you would get used to it; many times just as we were about to drop off to sleep that thing woul d clank, and wake you up. The only reason we did not turn it off at sleep CO~◄ FIDE~~TIAL .
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Source text · mention only167 period, was that we did not want to have the people say, "Well, you did not run it the whole time so the experiment was not valid." We left it on and put up with it in the hope that we could get rid of it once and for all. Lovell Obviously, it did not work. :Borman So far as we know it did not make any dif£erence. And it did not seem to make any difference inflight or post flight. Lovell It was a waste of time. 11.10 In-f light exerciser (M-3) :Borman It is a valuable piece of equipment. We used it not only for the crew status passes , we exercised with it 3 times a day and I thought i t was vecy worthwhile. It is a simple pie ce of gear but it is a good device. Righ t? Lovell Although, I imagine we can improve on exerc ise equipment in the fut ure spacecraft. :Borman Perhaps, the biggest deteriorat i on that we noted in the muscles was in our legs , and that exerciser was-I do not know how you can improve on that much. 11.11 In- f l i ght phonocardiogram (M-4) and In-flight sleep analysis (M-8) Borman Well, the equipment problems with M-8 were that the thi ng is operation ally incongruous. You cannot have those
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Source text · mention only168 wires on your head and stringing down the back of your neck, and not expect to catch them on something in a small space craft. Now, we found that we couldn't keep the helmet on. I kept it on for two days, but my head became extremely hot, and I was uncomfortable. So when I took it off I ripped all four of the leads off. And I think that the whole thing is extraneous a:nyway. I felt after 14 days I was perfectly capable to judge my own condition, and my own awareness, and my own degree of alertness I did not need that bunch of wires hanging on my head to tell me or to tell somebody on the ground how awake or how asleep I was. Lovell Inflight phonoca.rdiogram, I have no comments because it was stuck on me at prelaunch , and it stayed on me during the entire flight. Borman Well, did it bother you? Did you get any sensor problems? Lovell No. 11.12 Bioassay body fluids (M-5) and calcium balance study (M-7) Borman Urine samplings bags, well, actually the bags were pretty good. We had one break around the head . Marking was all right a.nd stowage was fine. I might point out that the tracer accumulator we changed with no problem . The mixing bag was all right, but they left out the most important thing here, the condom device that we used to
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Source text · mention onlyurinate into is unsatisfactory. We ended up with urine all over ourselves everytime we t ried t o use it. I t was sort of happenstance . If you lucked out, you didn't get a leak . But based on the experience that we had up ther e, I would think that the we.y to go is a simpl e overboard device wher e you vent r ight to the atmosph ere, and urinate into a tub e•Esse.ntially the same thi.ng you do in C-47, Borman We carried the flow meter a long and the Delta P across the f low meter and the fi lter can be i ncorporated with it. I am sure this is enough to al low you just to urinate right into a relie f tube right overboard. I do not see any reas on to go through this stage where you have urine all over yourself 4 or 5 times a day. A very unacceptab l e devi ce . Do you agree? Lovell Right. I thi nk we can improve on the urine dump system tremendously. Borman I think they ought to start looking into just a dump right overboard. You do not use a rubber condom or anything. Lovell Because that things puts back pressure whi ch i s rea lly sort of danger ous I think , a nd besides that , it is uncomfortable. And when you have back pressure . .. Borman Yeah. When you have a big enough receiver and you urinate
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Source text · mention only170 a stream into a vacuum, it is going to go right on over board. I do not understand wby••• okay. The defec ation bags were fine. And we really used them this time. The defecation bags were really put to use in this flight. I think we used a total of 15 of them. Lovell Yes. Borman And they were fine. I have no comments on those. It seems to be the best solution you can have to the situation . Lovell For this particular type spacecraft. Borman For this particular type ••• For the Gemini Spacecraft. I do not know what other approach you could have to them. I thought their marking was easily done. The finger hole I never used that at all. One of the big assets, we might as well put it in here, was the fact that the food that we ate caused well formed bowels, so we did not have any loose stools or any of that problem. I never had any occasion to use that finger device in there at all . Any other comments? Lovell No. Borman The water intake, the W&ter counter number. The gun was satisfactory. The recording that goes with it is completely unsatisfactory. I think the only way we should
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Source text · mention only171 • Lovell Borman Lovell :Borman Lovell consider using that gun again is to read down a daily counter number, and let the people use that as a--we ra.n into a regular night mare. Recording drinks used and drinks .••• It was too much. I think our water intake was adequate. And again I do not think this is something we need to be hounded about from the ground. A person seems to have enough problems without being remind ed that he is drinking enough water; I do not see any reason at all to have this com~ plica.ted bookeeping system. The food intake was not a problem. We recorded the food. One thing we might note, the food was pa.eked out of sequence. So when we got it out, we did not end up eating Day 1, meal A, B, C, Meal 2, A, B, C, but we did always eat Meal A first, Meal B the second meal of the de.y, and Meal C, the third meal of the day. Although, it might be day 1, meal A, day 13, meal E, and day 6, meal C. Also, while we are talki .ng about food, we better talk about the stowage of the food. It was right up to the maximum. That is right. And in fact it was a little bit overboard for 14 days.
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Source text · mention only172 Rather tight l y packed in. We rea lly had to work to get it out. Borman But aga in , thi s is one of those things we were operating right up to th e maximum capab i l i ty of the spacecraft , and I guess we had to expec t that, e.ven though we did get it out. So I would not say it was unacceptable. 11.13 Miscellaneous Borman Celest i al and t errest i al observat i ons, and significant observat i ons or a.nomoiies affect i ng other opera.tio .naJ or experim ental da.t a.. Lovell Well , we got to see Mars just nea.r the sun by looking a.t it just at sunse t . Borman Mercury you mean. Mercury . We saw Mercury. And we made some other observations here for the sci entists. Lovell Zodiaca l light came in loud and clear after we found out how to look f or it. Borman Right. Lovell We could not see the Gegenshein though , we knew exact l y where t o l ook . Borman Okay. We also made several night passes count i ng meteor s . One at 215 hour s plus 23 minutes, 25 seconds , I 'llade one night pass counting meteors for the entire 30 some minutes . And I saw.l meteor under Taurus and Pleia.des and it was below us , and it was short and white. The
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Source text · mention only173 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman next night pass, ending at 217: 17 I counted discrete flashes of lightening for the entire pass. I collnted 206 discrete occurrances o:" lightning. This was with the spacecraft level in HORIZON SCAN mode, looking out one window with no yaw control. Now, we also saw individual meteors at different times in flight that are recorded on the tape recorder . But unfortunately we did not see this great shower that was supposed to come out of Gemini. I saw two in a perio d of about 10 minut es out of Gemini . They headed below us, of course. Alright, the meteors. Another significant observation that we made was a brilliant display of the Aurora. The Southern Aurora over Australia . And we have some pictures here. Sketches . Sketches of what it looked like , and we will cover this in the scientific debriefing . And we measur ed the time it took for s tars to occult to the air glow layer, and for Venus to go through. I think this would be best to discuss when we talk to the scientists. I think so. Do you have anything else that was significant? As far
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Source text · mention only174 as operat i onal experimental data? Lovell No. Borman We al ready mentioned the fact about the air glow changing with the Moon. Oh, I tell you one thing that is significant and we l ooked for it time and time again. This was the com plete inability to observe stars in daylight. Lovell Oh, yes. Borman I hope we put that one to bed, because we trie d and tried and tried. We strained, we squinted, we l ooked at all angles. Lovell Looked at all the angles. Borman Looked at a l l the angles, and we were never once abl e to observe a star in daytime. Now you can observe just at sunrise and just at sunset, but never in the daytime. Lovell When that sun comes up those stars go. Borman That is right. And you get a black horizon--I mean a black sky above a blue horizon. I do not know what the reason for this is, but I will vouch for the fact that you can't see it. Lovell Right.
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Source text · mention only175 12.1 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell 12 . 2 Borman 12. 0 PREMISSI0N PL.ANNING Mission Plan (Tra,ject ory) Well , of course , it varie s here , this is the last. It changed. We had o.ne all wire d and writte .n up £'or a. 72 degree launch azi muth and this changed with the addition of the GT- 6 mission. But I tho ught the people were very f lexi ble, and ada pt ed rap i dly to the change. Well, ~e are talking about the mis sion plan , and they a:re talking about the trajectory alone. There is no doubt about it t ha t our mission , as origin a lly set up for our fuel , was adequate. But ,when we introduced GT-6 and the rendezvou s mission , the a.mount of experimenta l work which we had to do also was not reduced at all . This compromised the results of our experimental work by having to use the fuel for the rendezvous . Althoug h, I think the rendezvous was i mportant , or t hat it was higher priority , I would like to have it put on the record , that the resul ts we gathered from the rest of the flight were not as good as could be expected , beca use of the fact that we just did not have the fuel. 110 pounds of gas went down the drain , too. Yes. Flight Plan I thought the people did a great job there .
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Source text · mention only176 Lovell There is no doubt about it. The only way you can plan a mission of this length of time is real time flight planning. Call up the data you want for the day, it is a regular work day schedule. Call up what you want, and we will put it down and we will work at it; we will run it off that night. 12.3 Spacecraft Changes Borman I do not know of one major change in the spacecraft that we wanted that we did not get. GPO was very cooperativ e about everything. Of course, the big thing that we wanted, that we got after a hassel, was the ability to operate suits off. We planned this from the beginning with our first stowage review, and we finally made it by going the route of getting the suits that we could take off. And I think this contributed much to the satisfactory completion of the mission. Don't you? I have got personal notes here that were made during the flight. Every other page it says suits off was the only way to go, "I do not know how I stayed in the suit for six days," and so on. The suit I am sure has done more to increase the bugaboo of physical deterioration in space flight than a:n:y other single item. Fa.r more than zero g.
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Source text · mention only177 12.4 Mission Rules Borman They are routine now. We have no r ea l arguments. Lovell The only thing I can say about mission rules is the fact that they can be changed by the Flight Director to suit the situatio.n. There is enough flexibility in them that allows the mission rules to meet the problem at hand. Borman Althoug h, we did not have any problems that required us to change them. Lovell No, we did .not. 12.5 Experiments Borman The only experiment that I thought was not well presented pre -miss ion was the laser. That was a sor t of half baked preparation for quite a while, and at the last they brought the equipment down to Hou.ston and it came out pretty good.
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Source text · mention only178 Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell Borman Lovell When we were first introduced to the equipment back at the stowage review up at St. Louis, we didn't lmow enough about the experiment to really ana lyze the equipment, to find out whether it would be adequate or not. That is right. We should have. picked up the reticle light ing on that. Because we did not pick up the reticle lighting and we did not pick up the green filter. No. The green filter looked all right when we used it on the ground. It is just the fact that we were not able to observe .from .far enough a~ to pick it up. That is right. The lighting contrast ... • .. Also, experiments to the M-1 experiment was sort of a last minute glitch. Yes. We had a lot of compromise. Not compromise but a lot of failures. Putting the M-1 into the ECS system you mean. AlthoulJh, I will have to admit that the whole thing worked out fine. The mechanics of the M-1 experiment did l ast 14 ~sand was abso lutely no problem as far as operation of spacecraft or the ECS system.
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Source text · mention only179 Borman Right . Lovell It did complicate the pre-miss ion planning . Borman Every other experi ment I thought was well presen ted. The experimen ts division, with Dick Moke help i ng out did a good job. I WP~ very , very satisfied in other words, with the whole bus iness . 13. 0 MISSION CON1ROL Borman Descri be and discuss updating on the status of spacecraft and mission. Borman Once a day operation, where we r ead out cert ain parame ters in the spacecraf t , reported th~m to the ground, and they have a GO or NO GO for the r-ext area. 13.2 P1A and CLA _llE.dates Borman They were extrem~ly easy to handle . They came up in blocks of about 6 or 9, No probl em, si nce we dec i ded to use a rol ling reentry in the event of contingency landing. Lovell We had very little writing t o do. Borman Very little writing. And I might add, based on that reentry, i f I had to do it agai n, that is exact ly what I ' d want : a rolling reentry, i f I did not have a l oad in that computer. Because I thin k it is very difficult to look out the window and observe a horizon during a reentry . At least it was during ours; especi ally dur i ng a night reentr y.
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Source text · mention only180 13.3 Consumables Borman My goodness, we had 30 per cent o2 l eft when we jettisoned the adapter. 30 some per cent~ o2 and about 40 per cent ~ hydrogen. The OAMS were a l ittle di fferent situation. We cut that off at about 2 per cent. I was a l ittle dis turbed on the real -time fl ight planning in the l&et couple of d.!cys when t hey were sending up for more experiments than they knew we had f'uel to do. .And telling us to sift them out. This sor t of puts the onus of not doing it on the pilot. I guess in the l ong run i t is the best W8:3' to do it, but they would call up and sa_y-, "well, here is a whole lot of updates that you can do i.f you have t he f'uel." Well, they knew darn well, we didn't have the f'uel . Lovell That is right. Borman In ma.ny cases it turned out to be weathered a:nywa.y. Lovell And we had been briefed that there was a rather large error in the quantity- Nadout on the quantity gauge, and .fortun ately .for us it l ooked like it was in our favor. Borman We also had the Vol kswagon tank which helped out. So we knew e:r:a.ctl y where we were then. Lovell But we should, in future flights, make sure that the spa.oe cra.ft has enough f'uel for adequate BEF alignment, and for at least a coupl e o f revolutions with enough reserve to m.a.ke
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Source text · mention only181 sure that in case something goes wrong with the thruster, they could utilize more fue l to keep that alignment. :Borman Right. Well , as it worked out, we came out all right, any way. Because we just said we were not going to do anymore if we got to 5 per cent to 6 per cent. Tb.en they came back and said that one time, I said , "Well, we're at 6 per cent," and they said, "we thought you would go ahead and go to 5 per cent." And this is an awful nebulous thinking. Lovell Besides the gauge is hard to read to that accurac y . Borman Th.a.t is r ight . Okey-. We have already discussed, I think, the consumables on the fuel cells and the batteries. We turned off the squib batteries, about the 10th~. The fuel cell consumables were never a problem. Lovell Main battery voltage was never real l y h i gh, I thought. I have been led to believe that 22.5 volts was sort of a minimum voltage for a battery. They were up about 23 or 22.8 in the early part of the flight, and they were down to about 22.6, I guess, towards the end of the flight. 13.4 Flight pl an changes Borman If there was a flight plan change, the only one that I know of, that we were not aware of, was the one of updat i ng our perigee in the first burn. We thought we were going to burn it to 102. It came out we burned it to 120 and I'd like to
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Source text · mention only182 know whether this was programmed, or whether we just burned too long. Other tb&n that the .flight plan went very well. 13.5 Systems Borman One of the items tha.t I objected to a litt l e bit in the flight, and it was the natural tendency with people on the g:roundJ was the tendency, when we had a. litt l e systems mal f'unction, to explore it to the greatest depths without re gard to the r est of the mission. For instance, when we had the failed thrusters and we were ve-ry, very low on i'u.el, they wanted me to put & 3 second direct burst th:rough the tb:rustersJ so they could get TM on what was happening. Well, this is fine, except when you do this, you are intro ducing the problem of the thrusters sticking, and losing all your i'u.el there . Or at least you are !!quirting out 3 sec onds of valuable .fuel, which is a heck of & big chu.nlc in DIRECT• .And if. you were to induce ignition or even with three seconds of just venting fuel through the thruster you pick up a great ra.te, and then you have to ston so you would use a tremendous amount of fuel this~- I wills~ when I refused to do it, though, they acceded, so it was all right. .Another thing I didn I t like, wa.s this idea of blowing the OAMS squib. Remember? "This isn I t in the flight pla.n"-"if you feel like doing i t, I want you to blow
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Source text · mention only183 the OAMS squib just to see if you can hear it." At this stage of the game we were depending upon the OAMS fuel for realignL"lg the platform. I thought that by then we were in a stage of the mission that we were operatio n&l rather than interested in blowing something to see if we cou.1.d hear it. Lovell Especi ally for a night alignment . Borman Right . And I agree with you a thous and times it would not make any difference, but on the thousand and first time, it might have made a diffe rence if we lost our OAMS, and I could not see any reason to do it J so we did not do it. Another item, that I did not like , came up as far as flight plan changes go. The request that was put in as part of the flight plan , and never was in the flight plan. That was to get a blood pressure over Guaymas after retrofire. As it turns out, we tried to do this , but we coul d not find the horizon and so we did not do it. I woul d strongly, as a matter of fact, I would not even consider it. After retro fire, as far as I am concerned , the blood pressures, and a ll the other non-o pera tional equipmen t can go by the way side . Lovell Right . Borman Right then the important thing is to get on the groun d. Lovell Yeah, actua lly the retrofire time , the triple orbits before
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Source text · mention only184 retrofire, when you are getting rea.dy for reentry, should be exclus i vely devoted to that. We should be doing nothing el ae. Borman Right. 13.6 E:z;Perim&nts real-time updates Borman Experiments rea l -time upda.tes, a.11 we can a~ is that it was done fai rly well .
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Source text · mention only185 14.1 14.0 TRAINING Gemini Mission Simul ator Lovell Since there were three crews that had been through these simul ators quite extensively, and only one that required any more knowledge or any more oper ation of it , w e decided to use the simulator at Houston as a systems trainer. Most of our basic t rain ing in the early phases of Gemi ni 7 was done on sys tems. We used the Houston trainer to gain knowledge of the systems .. Towards the end we also used it for launch and reeentry training. Borman We made no effort to keep it up to stowage configuration. Lovell We made no effort to keep the Gemini Miss ion .Simulator at Hous ton in any kind of a GT-7 stowa ge configuration. We just merely used the flying port ions of it to get acqua i nted with systems and proce dures. It was a procedure s and systems t rainer .
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Source text · mention only186 Borman We got a lot of good reentries. Lovel l Well, that ' s procedure s. We got a lot of good reentrie s, and we got a lot of good lift-offs with the trainer. One thing that helped us out quite a bit on procedur es was the visual displays. Borman For stowage we kept the wooden mock- up in Houston up to our configuration . It came up better than I 've ever seen it before . We did several exercises on the Gemini Crew Station Mock-up. We used that as di stinct from the simulator for stowage. Lovell The stowage mock-up was also used for ex:periments, to copy down updates, to put together equipment, to find out what electrical leads went where, and to practice using equipment inside the spacecraft. That wey we didn't have to tie up the valuable Gemini Mission Simulator , that had a lot of electronics attached to it , with training that required only a si mulation of space and envi r onment. We acquired a pretty good knowledge of the sys tems with the si mulator.
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Source text · mention only187 There 's one area of procedures and systems training which can be improved, and that is t he use of more correct procedures between ground and simula t or. A lot of times we got into the simulator to do a reentry or launch, and we didn't get the parameters which you normally get from Mlssion Control . There have been five manned l aunches , with t apes on all of them, where the communications bet ween the grouno. an:l th,~ spacecraf t are well documented . We ought t o incorporate t hose in training . So you could copy down upda te s, you could get the 0 ,8, you could get systems failures and how the ground handles them , and things of this n~tu.re. I think we could simul ate them a lot better now, especi ally in Houston. Borman I think Lynn Taegart was doi ng t hat. Lovell Lynn was attempting to follow that procedure , We requested th1t they get some tape s from MGC from G1-5 1 s l aunch , but by the time we left there, they hadn't yet arr i ved. Launch was very realis tic , Borman I don't think that we flew a simul a t or with our roll p~ogram in it and it really didn ' t make any d ifference. I guess what we are sayi ng about the
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Source text · mention only188 Houston s imulator is that we don' t have to keep it right up to the final conf i guration. · It's a basic trainer . Borman It helps a lot to get in there and get the work done, rather than not be able to get in it because it is being modi fied to bring it up to the latest configu ration. As long as the math f low is proper, and the basic parts are t here, you can almost leave it the same for every launch. Lovell It should be updated as far as basic sys t ems. We had the fuel cell panel put in ours; we wouldn' t want batteri es, because of a lot of sys t ems trainin g on fuel cells . That is important . We don't have to have every little item like on the Cape simulator for initi al simulator t rain i ng. Borman I was very pleased with the Cape si mulat or. We've had very good work out of it, and it was right up to the l atest s towage configuration. I believe we were only shot down on the simulator once. It wasn' t working perfectly every time we got in it , but at least we got val uable training out of i t .
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Source text · mention only189 Lovell Right. One area that does need improving is the coordination between the simulator s, the Cape and Houston. Borman You're t alkin g about SIM Nl!i"'TS when we ran with Houston, which was almost a total waste of time, on our part . Borman That's right. Lovell We wast ed an awful lot of time just waiting around, because there wasn' t the coordination between the two. Borman It was not the coordination , it was just the interface. Lovell That's what I mean, the interface. They weren't connected properly. We did get a lot of bum dopeJ it wasn' t the lack of training , it was the lack of proper training . Lovell Station keeping with the booster occurred down here at the Cape only. I thought that was fairly real istic when it was working. I thought it helped aome. Borman I thought it helped a lot.
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Source text · mention only190 Lovell Retrofires procedure-wise was very good. The horizon, visual display, really is a big item. It made all the difference in the world between what we had before with no display and what we have now. As far as training goes, that is a very big item. The Houston Simulator ought to have a visual display as soon as possible. Retrofire reentries were all as programmed. Borman We had visual at RoustonJ we just did not have the targets. We had the stare at night. Lovell We had the stars, but we had the occluding disc, and we did not have the horizon. Borman Reentry on the Mission Simulator was good, a very close approximation to what we flew in the spacecraft. I think that was very valuable. On GT-4, we had only flown about two or three reentries. We had to go up to St. Louis to fly these. Lovell GT-3 and GT-4 were both that way. Essentially what we are saying about the Gemini Mission Simulator at Houston is that it is the basic trainer for systems an:l procedures. The one at the Cape is a fine mock-up for the final flight plan simulator. We go right through
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Source text · mention only191 the numbers in the flight plan, and the SIM-NETS with the entire network. 14.2 DCPS ( Launch abort simulator) Borman We used it and it was very effective. It never worked closed loop as well as i t was supposed to. We did not have any visual with it, but nevertheless the runs that we got there I thought were invaluableJ we certainly could not do without them. The noise and the sensations seemed as close as you could get to them without running on centrifuge . It was a good program, the tapes were good. Lovell I think it is a very necessa .ry simulator. It was not working completely like we wanted it to work, but it was just being put into operation when we were at Houston. We did not have much of an opportunity to use it. 14.3 MAC Engineering Simulator Borman We ran a whole week at MAC, two days on reentries and three days on station keeping, and that was a very worthwhile week. It was concentrated effort, and the station keeping simulation was as close to what we saw
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Source text · mention onlyI I I I I I 192 Lovell :Borman a.a you could possibly get. It was just fantastic . I t was really well done, and the reentries were also. We got a real good feel for the reentriea. We had the people fro.m FOD and the people fro.m FCSD up there at the time. we understood not only the proc edure s f or flying the reentries, but the wlJSr 's, the how's, the l imit ations of the systems. Well, that's where we dug out the procedures actually for the reentry technique. That's right. That's where we developed the proc edure of following the roll needle up to 3 G's . That was probably as good a week in training as we bad the whole time. 14.4 Translation and Docking Trainer Lovell :Borman In the little work that I did, it is representative of the actual case , if not more sensitive. It's more sensitive. It is a more simple t ask to dock in space that it i s in the Transla tion and Docking Trainer . Lovell As long as it is .more co:mplioated there is no problem .
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Source text · mention only193 Borman I was really surprised at that. 14.5 Planetarium Lovell The Planetarium is one which I have to admit I degraded for the last trip. I said I didn't want to go and we weren't going to go. Then we decided we'd better go, and I think right now it was well worth it. The last trip to the Planetarium was the best one. Borman We got more dope on the actual orbit. We had settled on our flight path, and they displayed it, and it was amazingly accurate. Lovell We worked out our initial burn at the Planetarium, the stars we were going to burn on for our perigee adjust burn. I took a cha.rt along that I ma.de up at the Planetarium to use for the zero, seven, and four teen days in t he celestial sphere. It worked out fine. When you go there, that's what you have to do. You have to take the azimuth that you are going to launch on, take all the charts that you are going to have; and run through that type of .mission. To go there and just learn all the stars I might be okay for basic training like we did several
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Source text · mention only194 years ago. After you get assigned to a specifi c mission, you better start learning the stars you need to use for certain burns and things of this nature. That's a good place to do it. I thought pe~haps, since we had the visual display, tba.t we could eliminate the Planetarium because the visual display had more real feel for it, and it does . However, the visual displays in the simulators don't carry the .magnitude of the stars that you can actually see. Borman And they are not flexible enough. Lovell Tba.t 1s right. They are not flexible . Borman You can't change them. Lovell So the Planetarium. was helpful . Borman Spacecraft orientation. As Jim said, we studied the burns and .ma.de the first two burns on the stars. The Planetarium was very helpful for this. Remember, you were all set to find Corvus and then Spica and we had it all lined up before we ever launched. 14.6 Systems Briefings Borman We had. one hundred and twenty - six hours and thirty .minutes of systems briefing'S and
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Source text · mention only195 it's all well documented and scheduled. Another thing that was very helpful to us was Mike :Brzezinski, the way he scheduled all the systems briefings and all the trai ning. We didn't fool around with any of i t. It was set up well, and went like clockwork. I think this was one of the real fine points of our training. Mike came down to the Cape a week early and the whole schedule was set up a week before we got here, and with very little change after that. He did an outstanding job, and as far as I am concerned, that's the only way to run it. Lovell 'lhat's right. There's no sens e running .around doing it yourself when we have a nice, well run .organiza t ion that can do t\his work for us. :Borman As far as any figures or numbers on the time spent i n the different phases of training, they are all availab l e. I f anybody wants the m we have the fina. l report, and we have a weekly report. :Borman It was very helpful to us to just have to deal with one person, rather than dealing with the Planetarium people, the people at MAC, the people at the Cape. The only thing we did at all was contact Mike. We
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Source text · mention only196 never contacted anyone else. We didn't go direct to anybody. Borman We might mention that the systems briefings were really of two types. We had preliminary systems briefings by our FCSD people at Houston. At Mc Donnell, du.ring the SD1S flights and altitude chamber tests we filled in the dead time with systems bri efings from the people at McDonnell. This was a good way to go also. For instance, while one crew was flying the MAC Rendezvous Simulator practicing station-keeping, the other crew was getting systems briefing. So, we didn't have any dead time. It worked out well. Borman The station-keeping , on the booster was more difficult than it was on GT-6, primarily because the booster was venting, and tumbling and trans lating. Also because of the fact that we really didn't have a lot of time. We were having to use fuel in order to get set up before night, for the separat~on burn. However, once we got it squared away, there was no difficulty at all staying with the booster at a distance, I'd estimate from about sixty to one hundred and fifty feet. During
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Source text · mention only197 the booster station keeping we did observe the ablat i ve skirt on the engine. At one time it appeared that there were two poi nts right at the edge of the skirt that might have been rolled in. It looked like maybe there were two approximately twelve inch sections that might have been rolled in. It may have been shadows cast off the booster. By and large, I would say that the engine looked very well. Lovell To me the engine looked brand new. It had a gold cast to it. It looked perfectly good to me. Borman I did not notice any venting out o~ the roll nozzle, which is unusual. We thought the venting came out of the relief for the PSV valve on the side of the booster. We just discussed this with the Martin people. They were a little surpr ised to hear this. The venting we saw came out ninety degrees to the longitudinal axis of the booster . Lovell It looked like it came out r i ght at the edge of the tank. Borman And this is the Pressure Sequencing Valve drain. And the next one is, "If so, what was its condition?" It looked great. "Did you get pictures?" Yes,
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Source text · mention only198 we got pictures with a 16 mm. We did not get pictures with the Hassleblad because we could not unstow the Hassleblad at this time. 14.7 Flight Experiments Borman Simulations: The one we used most frequently was the Gl'1[S'""' for the D-4/D-7 tracking, Lovell We also used it for the sextant. Borman Although it wasn't a good utilization, we used it for t~e D-5. Lovell Just for procedures. Most of our experiment simulation was done in the mock-up. The wooden mock-up. Borman Translation and Docking Trainer . We used the Translation and Docking Trainer for some tracking training with the laser . It was not all I had hoped it would be. Nevertheless it did give us training and convinced us it would be no problem in tracking with the laser. This was borne out by the flight that the mai n problem would be acquiring it. We picked up the fact in the docking trainer that the reticle is not visible
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Source text · mention only199 at night . The 'l1ranslation and Ilocking Tra±ne~ • was helpful in station keeping. We didn ' t r eally do any traini ng at McDonnell for the experiments . Lovell We did mostly the station keeping and the reentry at McDonnell . Borman And you went to Ames. Lovell Just for the sextant. The sextant briefing at Ames I thought could have been done at Houston . I got more information out of Bob ~ilva on the roof of the Cape here , than I did really out of Ames. The two I simulators I used out there really didn't help me out at all . I think the simulator and a star field in the Gemini simulator plus work outside on the roof would be more valuable than Ames, which I passed on to Wally and Tom. Borman We had many briefings ..• Total t i me spent on experi ments i s two hundred hours and thirty minutes. A great deal of that time was briefing . I felt , that by the time we took off , we knew not only the pro cedures for every experiment , we knew the hows , the whys, and the wherefores . I thought we were
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Source text · mention onlyI I I I 200 I I I I I I adequa tely t r ained on every experiment . If I could comme.nt o.n the one exper i ment that I thought was handle d i n a sort of , I won't say haphazard, but at l east a rather free style, was the l aser . We didn ' t get rea l p r oper trai ning on that, I didn't get t o look at the l a ser unti l l ater in the game , The ground equipment a t Ascensi on never did come u p, and I think that if we ar e really g oing t o make thi s l ase r work, we are going t o have t o put more emphasi s on the people who are runn i ng i t, It seems t o me that here we need some special procedure for training experiments. I t seems t o me that we went to some pl aces where Mike was stuck wi th the posi tion of trying t o scrounge people and equipment or the individ ual exper iment ers were stuck wi th it . It seems l i ke ma.ybe Lill y should have been abl e t o work wi th some section in our organizati on to get t he t ra i ni ng tha t we wanted and get i t set up . The way it i s now, for tra i ning on experim ent s, you almost have t o d epend o.n i ndi vi dual exper i menters and a lot of t he t ime they don't under s tand at all the pr oblems of opera ting a s pac ecraft. Did you have that fee l ing ever , Mike? FCSD Rep Just wi th the MSC-4, We did have a pr oblem getti ng
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Source text · mention only201 Borman FCSD Rep Borman Lovell J3orma.n Lovell the equipment. All the other equipment seemed to come in well. Yes, but we always depend upon the experimenters for the training. You lmow, like on the sextant. Maybe this is the way you have to continue to go. This is the way the program is set up, for the experi menters to actually do the briefing. Yeah, and then the hardware training. That is the way it did work. That' s probably the best way. The S-8/D-13, we went to the trainer. I guess what we are really saying is that we should emphasize to the exper imenter that they have a responsibility for providing training and for providing training hardware. That is the big thing. The experimenters, or the exper iments group, has to provide the training to get adequate resu lts from their experiment. Otherwise they are not going to get adequate results. That is right. And t he train ing equipment and the training periods have to come early enough in the program so that we work out any problems that evolve. For instance, a classic example was the laser when we ran into the reticle problem. We did not find out until too late in t he game
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Source text · mention only202 7 to change anyt hi ng, We coul d n ot put a lighted r et i cle on the l aser . :Borman In a ll f ai rness , we ought t o poi nt out about the l aser t oo, that i t w as sever ely handi capped when we changed t he l aunch a zimuth. Because i ni t i ally they had not planned t o work anywhere e xce pt at Whi t e S ands . Then with t he change in l aunch azimuth , Whi te Sands went down t he tub e pretty well , then they had t o scrounge around and try t o get t o Hawai i and Ascension . The exper i ment equi pment , by and l arge , I thought was r eadily avai l able on this f light . Thanks mainly t o Lou Allen and the pr ess ure he put on the people. Training equipment was pr etty well ava ilabl e , early in t he game . 14 , 8 Spacec raf t s ys t ems test s Borma.n We covered a lot fewer of the spacecraft systeins tes t s than pre vio us s pacecraf t had, based on our experienc e on S pacecraft 4. Let m e see exact l y wha t i t w a s . Spacecraft tes t s , 169 hours and thi r t y minute s for t he Prime Crew, a nd 193 hours and 30 mi nut es for the Backup Crew. I d o not thi.nk there i s a ny reason to cove r t hi ngs
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Source text · mention only• Lovell Borman Lovell 203 like Systems Assurance and so on in St. Louie. It is a waste of time . At St. Louis you should plan on covering the SIM flights , the Altitu de Chamber and the Horizontal SEDR. And, down at the Cape, I thought even though we cut out six days of testing and we did not have a Wet Mock, I saw absolutely no impediment at all to our launch training. I do not think that any of it is necessary. I do not think we cut out one necessary thing. I think that you could use your t ime more wi sely in simula tor training , in recovery training , and in training you are really going to use than in study of some of the sys tems assurance tests where you spend hours in the spa cecraft just throwing switches. You reach a point there where you are not learning any more. I think you should follow, at St. Louis , the SIM f light , the Altitude Chamber, and the Horizontal SEDR. And down here at the Cape, we want to do the SIM flight, the Joint Combined Systems test , the EIIV test , and finally of course , the SIM flight and Stowage Review. That is somethi ng which we put in , and I think ought to be include d in all. _. the stowage is one thing that changes constantly right after launch, and it ought to be put i n just before launch. A week or so before launch to make sure everything is correc t .
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Source text · mention only204 14,9 Egress training Borman Briefing, Gulf Exercise, and Survival Gear. All went off well, We had it done on Spacecraft 4, so we only went off in Static Article 5. We did not use the Boil er Pl ate No, 201 and it worked out fine. We had the helicopter pickup. Lovell I think the helicopter pickup was well worth it though, because i t was exactly what you do on recovery. Might as well do it in practice. Borman And that is strange how that got thrown in there . That one time on Spacecraft 4, we just thought, well, it would be nice to come back by helicopter, rather than back by ship. And it worked out to be very valuable as a matter of fact. I think that is good training. I think that you should have the Gulf exercise. No question in my mind that you should have that, Lovell That · is about the most realisti c type training you can possibly get. Borman We were well trained in the use of survival gear. Of course, I think that it is a very good idea. We had it laid out here in the crew quarters all the time we were down here, and we stopped in and took a. look at it ..
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Source text · mention only205 • Lovell Borman We were thoroughly briefed on the ejection seat by NASA people. I thought we were well prepared for that. 14.10 Parachute Training I think that all the parachute training that is required is launch off the island for a water landing. I think that is all the Parachute training you need, because that is .most likely where you are going to la.nd. You are going to land on la.nd during an abort, so there would be all kinds of people to help you or you are not going to make it e:nyway. Guess you would be too close to the booster. I think the water landing training is very important, especially when you are using new equipment like our new sui ts . If we had the 4C suits again for this flight, I think that, since we had rotated so early from Gemini 4, that we could have eliminated that and not have any real probletll!I. I think that all t he t raining should be conducted with training suits on. It does not :make much sense to go out there in a swimming eui t o And we .might mention that we had one suit out there for
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Source text · mention only206 our train i ng . We switched in and out of a sing l e sui t , wet , or not wet , and got it a ll completed by one o ' clock . 14.1 1 Launch si mulations • 14.1 2 Reent ry simul ations 14.13 Simul ated network simul at ions 14.14 Network simul ations Borman Launch simul a t ions, Reentry simul a tions , and Simul ated Network Si mul a tions, and Network Simulations , a t the Cape down here , f or us, were a total waste of time . We have a l ready menti oned this earlier, but because of the f act that the simulator was not playing with the Mcc, r would .not say the l aunch simul ations were a t otal waste of time. We did get some l aunches, but I am afr ai d that the time spent was not profi tab le .
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Source text · mention only207 Lovell Borman• Lovell Borman • We wasted an awful lot of time on that. It is not that they would not be profitable. I think that is really where you get the good tra.ining because you get ••• I am not going to recolDlllend eliminating it. I would recommend fixing it so that it pl&ys properly. That is right. Because you get the actual operating with the people that a.re going to be conducting the flight, get the communication procedures down, get the whole bit. Un fortunately the whole bit was not working. Tha.t is right. I think this is recognized by a.11 sides. I understand that Gemini 6 was much better a.fter we left. 14.15 Flight plan tra.i.ning I really do not think you would c.all that tra.ining. It is sort of procedures that you go through, and I hope that the people that come behind rea.lize how big a hand they can have in ma.king the flight plan and how early they should get into the business, because there a.re so many people with their own little inputs. If the orew does not get in early and keep things under control, you will end up with a.n impossible situation •
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Source text · mention only208 Fortunately, I think, that the people that you have to work with now, Bill Tindall, and Barney Evans, are pretty good. One of the first things I would recommend to anyone to do, is to start talking to the Mission Planning people as soon as they get assigned to a flight. From then on, • keep their fingers on the flight plan. I think that is reflected in the amount of time we spent on ours. 133 hours was spent i n that training just on preparing and reviewing the flight plan. I thi nk it paid off because we ended up with one that was reasonable and one that we coul d work wi th. I would not call it training though , as it was sort of doing flight plan ning. 15.0 CONCLUDI NG COMMENTS Borman What else do you have to say James? Lovell We are back home, that proves the mission was a success . Borman There is one thing that I have to say I think the system we have set up here in FCSD now to handle these flights , this task force organizat i on, is outstanding. I was very well pl eased with the support we got from everybody. Lovel l I do not think we could have done it ourselves and having gone through i t before when we did not have the
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Source text · mention only209 Borman • Lovell Borman organization set up this way , it sure made a difference . And every part of the Center came through . It was very effective at the stowage mockups and the Des ign Rev iew to have Kenny Kleinknecht or Chuck Matthews righ t there and to make a desicion and then it stuck . That was very , very helpful from the very beginning there . The first day we went to that stowage review up there , we had the bas ic concept solved and we had the ECP's in to get the stowage the way we wanted it. It was very helpful . I do not think there was one thing that we really wanted in the spacecraft that GPO did not provid e . Everybody was very cooperative , I thought . But that was another item that I strongly recommend the crews to do. , .. is attend Management Meetings ... particularly while the space craft is in St . Louis . You will find a lot of decisions are made and you can get in there and get your voice in . The people listen to you as long as you are not unreasonable , and you will end up making an awful lot of money in a very short time if you will get to the decision making.
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Source text · mention only210 i s keep a close tab on what goes on at the CCB. J i m Bilodeau is the best poin t of co.nt a.ct t her e . He kept us i nformed . For ins tanc e, l et us say we wante d another • stowage bag i n the right fo otwell . Rather than j ust going t hrough the back door and tryi ng to get Car l Stone t o make u p a bag , we i mmediatel y submi tted a requ i r ement t o the CCB. We f ound that t ime t o r eact on this thi ng was amazi ngl y short. You c oul d g et one i n on a Thursday a.nd it woul d be acted on by Monday. Then, after you had thi s c l earance t hr ough the CCB, things went smoothl y. I guess what I a.m sayi ng is the system works a nd just pl ow in and use it . That is i t. ..
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