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18_100754_ General 1946-7_Vol_2

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This file contains memorandums and correspondence related to flying disc/saucer sightings and that those are a matter of concern for the Air Materiel Command.

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HqAMC ~•,_ No. 1~4 (Rev It Sep 46) Wf-1,.7 JAN q 300M HEADQUARTERS NND 700188 IN IIULT AODRUS IOTM COMMUNICATION AND EN AIR MATERIEL COMMAND VELOPE TO COMMANDING 0 ENE RA L, AIR MATERIEL COMMAND, ATTENTION TSDIN/HUM/ig/6-4100 fOLLOWINO OFFICE STMIIOL: WIICJHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO TSDIN DEC l 9 A.:if/1 SUBJECT: Flying Discs TO: Chief of Staff United States lir Force Washington 25, n. c. ATTENTION: Director, Research & Developnent J. Major General L. c. Crai gie 1. Confirming the recent conversation of ihe undersigned nth 1.ajcr General L. c. Craigie, 9 December 1947, attached as listed below are copies of the reports from this Headquarters concernin g Flying Discs . 2. Comments of Headquarters, dr Force on these lett ers have never been received by this Command. Cont i nued and recent reports from qualified observers concernin g this phenomenon sti.ll makes this matter one of concern to Headquarters , Air Mat erie l Command. Intelli gence Department of this Command i s continuin g the collection and analysis of all available reports. F<R THE CObllANDING GENERAL: .. ~-~c:On Colonel, USAF Chief of Intelli gence 2 Attac h: cc ltr to CG, AAF, dtd. 23 .sept 47 subj " ,UC Opinion Concerning °Flying Discs 11 11 cc ltr to CG, AAF, dtd 24 Sept 47 subj "Flyin g Discs" U-53791

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1TYPE: ' S USPENSE DATE : NO.: 24439 1 FILE D ESIGNATION AND DATE: P 97084 SMRY: ,.n"ti.lygio or ' Plyi ne IJlao' tt port u". 'f' 2 inolu. i l TO: TO: DATE: DATE: OTHER ACTION: HQ AAF

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.,' . col cook/2497/bm- '.F ms 30 December 1947 TO; Cct~ina cra1 M.r toricl Co::!mld tr.i..t;nt Fiold, :,ton, l'fuia Attru rsum l . i co ia to three inc1o 3, rw :fro yo11r office to trds dg,1.J.:U't.(sro:- trubJoct n .ab?Va . 2. :Ct is Ai?' .Fo?'CO policy not to :i.{;DOr<l roporto of' :,i~ttn;;" ~ and pen .na in tna atmoophoro but to rocoamae that pert of 1t:s laistdon is to collect, collate. ovoluntc o.nd net on j.nformt.ion or thia nature. , 3. In imple&cmting thia policy,. i~ ie doairod that the J\.ir ~ I.bteriel Coi:r.nand net up ~ orojcct tihosc purp.:>:.,c "-f.l to c?ll .ct., collate, ovalu te and d1.trt.r3.buto 'to 1.ntore\oted i;ovcrn:i:mt ngcnc.-.1 3 ;md contmcton nll intonn:ltion concernin:; aJ.cht~i:, nd pbenomonn in the atmoapblre which ca-n 1:-o comtrue,. to bo ot ccneorn to tbe nntiauil security~ It 1a dftciJ"ed toot appropriate rcc0i.-;:.eodat1cms be f Ol'WOJ'ded to th1a fiCAdq,.iart.oro j) whercYer 11ction ia 1nd.1Cllt.ed Which Isl.ls oute1do the ticld of tho Mor .,. tcr1el co.sud . ~- tt 1.e eu-1":C::tcd t..'1:-it, tho ctivitlos o!'. t.h1a projoct includ.s tn• Prep4rllt1on and diotribution at an initial roport, an reco ndod tn ldelolJUt"e l., m tlut cu-.,noquaat, rc,parta be isaued on a quartorly ba.8111. suppl-.ntal-7 nport• ahould be 1-rmed at aore treqllltl1t, inter Yale th:,uld the no-1 for 21amo 1n 1.n41catod. Thia projoot 1a arsoignod J,J'iorlty- 2A, w1\h a aocllri.V cla■a1tie'1.tion ~ "Natruted" &Id Code 11!tam~ at "6In 1 ~ dnt.a. o.t u Cla:wtfiC'.-. tif)Jl hi(jler than Natri otecl 11 balldled by tho pro,1ect ouch dDta ahould bo clrui&il.~cd occornin* . A c oi,;ploto 1nt.1Jrch'JIJO of data. ohould ~ or1·cetm zs rcccaaandad 1n Incloav. 1. Sf CClliAND OF T OBlFJ? STAFF: n c

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Al<'Ulit-CUJCol Garrett/ lwd/4544 .. - 18 Dec '4? .. Ii ,11) ,:- Eaeic Ltr fr Rq. Fourth .Air Force, HwniltQl Fld, calit ., datod 5 Dec '47, subjects Plying Disc. AFOIR-C0-5 let Ind. Dopt. ot tho Air Force, Lq. USAF, nash ingtcn 25, D. C. ~OE.C 19471) TO: Cantm:nding General, Fourth Air Force, Hacilton Fiold, California • . ( .Xt9? ~ • 1. The marks appearing a, the'li}oto~}i'ls _ incl~ed in basic letter are believ«?d to btt detects in the film, paper, or cm:tera and not pictures of 11f]iing disco". 2. It io request.Gd that no further invecti gation be 1:1ade of thie incident. FOR 'fi!E QIIEF OF STAFF: DOUGL1.._S • .E ~ Lt. Colo1,el. \J ~ • Executive. All" i::., • 11~..e~c~ .RequireJJe.ats Div. J>beoto1•ate of l.lltelligonae ~--n/c 1177845 file ref: B/L fr hq. r·ourth Jdr Force, Hamilton f'ld,Calif. dated 5 Dec '47 subj: as above m-~-=:.z..:.~ - 5 a. \.l 4. s. -------l------1----- -..::..:..:~+d.~~----..L------L-----_l.------l ~~~~~.~,w;:;::;.u.i;;._ coo~''rci~ __-.::. __off ~ l&-2924)-:1 U, •• OOVIHMlNf PIUNflNQ OfflCe,

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F'ly.i.ug Disc .. ~a.ry L HeITon 3 Incls: ' T O: TO: TO: DATE: DATE : DATE: FILED (PµCE) ; OTHER ACTION: ~ T~ 'DtJC {,7 so:.CzlEi'TiJ.L ~lton l'Id, cali:' 't TYPE: -~,.,r SMRY: fUSPENSE DATE: INO.: 242134 FILE DESIGNATION ANO DATE: 1177846 HQ A AF

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------ C01'-TFIDENTIAL HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE Offico of the Assistant Chiof of Starr. A-2 Intolligence Hrunilton Fie ld. Cnli£ornia • • SUBJECT, Flying Disc. TOa Chief of Staff United States Air Foroo naBhi ngton 25. D. c. ATTNt Dir ector of Intelligence · 1. The attached photographs were forwarded to this office ya very roliable sourc~ of information, obtninod from a l!o.ry L. rren...-1728 S. W. Bidwell Avenu_e. Portland 2. Orogon. Siic>advises eae photographs were talcen eome time betTTeen November 5th nnd 12th. 1946. in the vicinity of Jefferson, Oregon, nnd points out the formation in the photograph~ ns being objects she did not recall seeing herso lf but oho thou ght might possibly be flyin g discs . 2. Tho objects roforrad to appear in the sky aroa of eaoh a.ooor.ipanyinr, photograph. The uniformity of tho markines would tend to indicate that the cQrtorn or f'ilm used to tnke these pictures was possibly defootive. lfo incidents of' flying discs have been reported from that vicinity on or about the inclusive dates named above • 3. llrs. lierren baa requested the ret:irn of the negatiTea. If desired. this office will obtain the negatives and forward them at your request. DONALD L. SPRIRGER 3 I nclat Lt. Colonel, USAF Photograph, . AC of' s. A-2 < C~T\IFIDEN'f AL

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• HEADQUARTERS ' AIR MATERIEL COMMAND IN REPL~Y- DRESS BOTH TSNAD-2B/ACL/QlllbCOMIAUNIC QN AND EN- VELOPE ATTENTION OF FOLLO NG OFFIC ~ MBQL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO TSNAD- 2B 18 NOV 1947 SUBJECT: Flying Discs 1, -- 1 tf-S- TO: Chie r of Staff United States Air Force Washington 25, D. c. ATTENTION; Offi ce. Directer 0£ Inte l ligence Lt Col onel George Garrett , Jr. 1. The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted fer your informa. t i on and comment. The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the "Dayton on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possib l e. • 2 . The story by Lione l Shapi ro r egarding wa.r weapons deve loped i n Spain evident ly was printed in a number of leading newspapers throughout r-.... the country. The significance of this article wi ll be dependent upon cer- '-._;. Journal " t~in essent i al el ements for such alleged important deve l opments, such-as funds, m.a.terials, experimental t esting faci lities, and technolo gical " Jcnow- howll. The latter is sup posed to be suppUed by German scientists. The German scientists a.t this Hq indicate that no i mportant scientists from Germany are worlci.ng in Spain, and those mentioned in this article are not lalown to them. " ;; . If possible, th,re:t'ore . &n. e:t'tort should be made to obta.in names, ~\ qua l ifications, or any ini'ormation that might help to identify the alleg ed \' 1 German scientists working in Spain. ~ 4. A brief statement was nads in a recent intelligence report .from J Bq USAF, AC/AS-2, reg&rding a f lyin g diso incident in Al aska in September. Tb; close range sighting reported should render a mor e detailed observati n than what was reported, which also suggests a fo ll~-up . s. It is .further requested that this office be advised as to progresa ~~ being m,ade on the plo t ting of all f l ying disc i ncidents to date, particu- larly in North America. It was understood that Dr. Carroll was goint to ~•the ,e incidents, but no further word was received regardi"l: this 0£- ( J R THE COMMANDING G~La r::ifG- k,,R.,',;\>/ef._~.~/ .ik/-71/47"C 1,...t 1tP H. M. McCOY ~ ·, l 1 clip pings olonel. Air Corpe Chi e~~ IntelligenoeS Jr:_ .JL~ i{b I....

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H. • olonel, USAF Chief of Intelligence HqAMC Form No. 10-.5 14 (Rev. 1 Aug 45) HEADQUARTERS AIR MATERIEL COMMAND IN REPLY A DDRESS BOTH COMMUNICATION AND EN TSNAD- 2B/A.CL/e.mb VELOPE TO ATTENTION OF FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIHD, DAYTON , OHIO '.l.'SNAD- 2B 24 NOV 1947SUBJECT: Flyinr; Discs / -Y" ~ TO: Chief of Staff United States Air Force Washin~ton 25,. D. c. ATTENTI0:N s Office ., Director of Inte l li~ence • Lt Colonel Georie Gar rett., Jr • Reference l etter,. subject as aboTe, dated 18 November 1947,. it is requested that i mmediate action be tak en to appropriately mark or stBITtp this cor respondence with the classification "secr et'' • This classi1"1ca tion number is as fo llows, U-48983 FOR TilE COMMANDING GENERAL; ~. WF-L.29 APR 46 300M

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WF-L-7 JAN 47 300M .~ ., H~.C. .£(.ml· No: f~14 (Rev \0 Sep 46) .. SECREI HEADQUARTERS IN REPLY ADDRESS BOTH COMMUNICATION AND EN• AIR MATERIEL COMMAND VELOPE TO COMMANDING GENER A L, AIR MATERIEL TSDIN/HJAM/ig/6-4100 COMMAND, ATTENTION FOLLOWING O FFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO TSDIN ' £? /4 31947 SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concernin g "Flying Discs 11 TO: c'onmanding General Arn\Y' Air Forces Washington 25, D. c. ATTENTIOO : Brig. General George Schul gen AC/ AS-2 l. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this Conmand concerning the so-called "F~ Discs11 • Thi s opinion is based on interro gation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and pr eliminary studies ey personne l of T-2 and Aircra f t Laboratory, Engineer- -_____ ing Divisicn T-3. This opinion was arri ved at in a c onferenc e between persorme l from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Offi ce, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-;. 2. It is the opinion that: a . The phenoioonon reported is something real and not visioruu7 or fictitious. b. 'Illere are obj ects probably appr oximat ing the shape of a disc, of such appreciabl e size as to appi ar to, be as large as man-made aircra f t . c • There is a possibility that some of the inci dents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors. d. The reported operatin g characteristics such as extreme r at es of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sight ed or contac t ed by friendly air craft and radar, lend belie f to the possibi l ity that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatical.47 or remote:cy-. e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows: (1) Metallic or ligh t ref lecting surface. • U-39552 SECHE-f

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SECRE'r..... ...., Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to CG, AAF, Wash. D. C. subj "AID Opinion Con cerning • Flyin g Discsu. (2) Absence of trail, except in a few ins tances when the object apparently was operatin g under hi gh perfo r mance conditions. (3) Circular or elliptica l in shape, flat on botto m and domed on top. (4) Several reports of well kept formation f lights varying from three to nine objects. (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantia l rumbling r oar was not ed. (6) Level flight speeds norma~ above 300 knots are esti- mat ed. , f. It i s possi ble within the pr esent u. s. knowledge - pro vided extensive detailed development is undertaken - to construct a piloted aircraft which has the genera l description of the obj ect in sub paragr aph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate r ange of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds. g. Any developments in this country alon g the lines indicated would be extremely expensi ve, t ime consuming and at the considerable ex pense of current projects and t here fore, if directed, should be set up in dependently of existing projects. h. Due consideration must be given the follovrin g:- (1) The poss ibility that these obj ects are Qf domestic origin - the product of some high seclll1.ty project not known t o AC/AS-2 or this Cormnand. (2) The Jack of physica l evidence in the shape of crash recove red exhibits which 'WOUld undeniably prove the existence of these obj ects. (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsio n possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge. 3. It is recomnended that~ - a. Headquarters, Arn\r Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classifi cation and Code Name for a deta iled stucy- of thiS matter to incl ude the pr eparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data "flhich will then be nade available to th e ArrfU~ Naq, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and r ecoDDJ1eniations, -,dth a preliminary r eport to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafte r evecy- 30 days as the 1nvesti- SE.CRQ -2- U-39552

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SECRET Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, i1F to CG, AAF, Wash. D.C. subj 11.AMC Opinion Con cerning "Flying Discs" gation develops. A complete :interchan ge of data should be effected. 4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will contimle the invest i gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essen tial EleIOOnt s o f Infarrration will be formulated immediatezy for transmittal thru channe ls • . • F. 'IWINillG Lieutenant General, u.s.A. Comrratrill€ tJ-39552

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TSDIN/HMU/ig/6-4100 23 September 1947 TSDIN SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs 11 TO: Commanding_ General Arizy Air Forces Was~.ington 25, n. c. ATTENTION: Brig. G~neral Geor ge Schul gen AC/AS-2 1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this Command concerning the so-called 11 Flying Discs 11 • This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 am ~ircraft Laboratory, Engineer ing Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a co nference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, am the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3. 2. It is the opinio n that: a. The phenomenon r e ported is somethi ng real and not visionary or fictitious. b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as 1a rge as man-made aircraft. c. There is a possibility that soroo of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors. d. The report ed operatin g characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action 'Which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air craft ans rada r , land belief to the possibility that sona of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely. e. The apparent common description of the obje cts is aa follows: (1) Metallic or light r eflecting surface. ) u-39552

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CU, A!t<J., tn> ,, 11 • Dis J:1baer:ica o trtdl, ex pt 1,; .a .to 10 ob.1 ct 41>parou.tq, au ·o ornti Uhdo t c-.nneo coaditiono. Circular or lliptical domed on top. Several reportb of well :ep ormot • m obj~ota. al y no aooo tatcd suun(l, o~~c 8 roQ.r nnu no iT.ally: ~bc>V& • - mtod • J f :ln n o m .f. l t 1o poosible within tho pN! ant U. S. knowl<1due - - pro- nded xton61v• dot.ailed devclo11 nt 10 und.ortfl :cm -- t6 c:onstruct o. • piloted aircraft which hu:s tho (!enoral doncripti't>n or t:lio ob:Joot in eub,,:. pnr'1ijrnph (e) ubovo w.hich tloulu 'bo capnbla or an npprorl • to rttncc or 7000 ;::zilea a.t oubsonic ape d!'.. g. Jiny develop=ents in thi~ count17 alon. the liut!B innicatea m,uld bo extr~mly oxpensi va, tiina con:nminc ond at 1,hc Gonsidcroble ex pom,e or curren1; pro,1octo and therorore, ti' dirllctecl, ,ahciuld be act 11v in• dOpendsntly 0£ ~xiotina -pro.)octo. h. IJu com,ldor:.ation muot be given the f ollowinR: - (1) Tho ~os1bility that theBa ob.locts "l'CI of dOCU\lotic or1Uin - the product or sorw high secu1~1ty pro,1ect not known to t. /MJ-2 or tl11n ,ot'!JWld. (2) Th~ lack Q.£ ph.Y lo in tbo ohape 01' 01·auh recovoroci enhi-b 3 ch would undflnic.b).y t,row 'the exictance of tlieuo ob.l~cte . (3) Tho r.>oollibility that notlf> 1'01•oit,'Il nation hnn form of prop u13icn poooibly nuolenr, wldd1 itt outnido of our co atic lmo11ledttt. ~. It 1o recom:Mlndad thati- u. IICN1dquo.rtoris -.Arey Air Voroon iusue a cli rocti w aan1!<fl1n(t a priorii1, eecurity olaesiricat1on nnd Oudo Hm~ f<•r a dot.ailed etuey of th1.o i:mttor to incl.\1do t.ho prep.lU'cttic,n of conpluto eutu or ull. avuUCLbl &md P9rttncint d&ta which "ill thtm bo do vuilulJle to the •cry, r:nvy, Atamio Energy Co:runioaion, ,JPl>B, the Air Forco Soicmt11'1o ,\dvuory Group, l/J.CA, and tho P..At'D nnd th.PA pr-o.1eota for CCJ!emnto &nd racol'.2llon&ltiona, 1tith a prolimn~ roport tc> bt. foni rdod within 15 dayc or. rc,coipt or the dtlta nnd a dotailod report; thor utter evory ,0 &3,·e ao tho tnveati- ~ -..0 0__J> Y...,

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.. Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to en, AAF, Wash. D.C. Subj 0 AMC Opinion Con cernin g 11 Flyin g Dis cs" gation develop:3. A. complete interchange of data should be effected. 4. Awaiting a si;eci.fic directive .AMc w.i.11 continae the investi gation withi n its current resources in order to more closely define the natur e of the i;ehnomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Infor mation will be for mulated immediately for transmittal t hru channels. N. F. TWINING Lieutenant General, U.S.4 • C9fflillanding

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r TSNAD-2B/ACL:eec 24 .5eptember 1947 TSNAD-2B SUBJECT: "Fl yin g Dis c" TO: Commanding General A.rm::! Air Forces Washi ngton 25, D. C, ATTN: A.C/AS-2 Major Gere ral George McDom ld l . I n compliance with Gener al McDonald's tel ephone conversa tion , t his date, t o Col onel H. M. McCoy, T-2, Hq. AMC, attached herewith 1s a copy of a draWing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc", des ignated LD-2. Because of patent rigbts invol ved, it is reques ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewi ng this drawin g by witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing, 2. Thi s drawing should be returned to t his offi ce when it has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the Patent Office Hq. Al(C for off:i,,9ial record. ../) • ~ ~ ~ ~ 1 • ,- /\ 1-I ,.. ' I -uvr~ ...~ / , • '"' 3. I nclosed herewith is al so a repor t prepared by t he Royal Aircr~f t Est ablishment, Technica l Note, AERO 1703, which describes the lforte~ess aircraft _ '!be follo,ing references are invited whic1i'"'I's""considered sibrnificant in relating the Horten brothers per spective thinkin g and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying ucer" case: a. Page 5, Paragrapli 4 and 6. b. Page 6, Paragraph lam 7. c. Page 26, Para grai;h 3 and 10. d. Page 27, Para graph 12. e. Page 2g, Paragr,phs 1 t hrough 5. f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola". U-39942 COPY

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Basic ltr, dtd 24 Sep 47, to CG, Hq AAF, Wash, subjt "Flying Disc" g. Page 69, The Horten VII I. h. Pages 71 and 72, Photogra}:ils of the Horten IX Versions . i. Page 74, Dral'ling or the "Parabolaf. This document should also be returned when it has served, its-, i nten ded ye, . • purpose. { L,Lsca. I~~-~~ 4. A recent report f'rom the u. ;:;. Milita ry attac~ }loscow, USSR, dated 9 June 1947, indicates that 1800 afrcraft, directly or indirectly \ based on the Horten VIII design (six engi ne pusher, havin g a l'fing spre ad of 131 feet and a gross weight of approXimately thirt y-three thousand pounds) are being built for bomber squadron use. The Russian version, however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No. is v-,2291-8. XO r5 5. The T-2 r eport "German Flying \\in gs Designed by Horten Brothers" ....,. No. F-SU-1110-Hd, also inclosed her ewith, may be :n:tained tfy your office if desired. FOO THE COW!A'NDING GENERAL: H. M. McCOY Colonel, nir Corps Deputy Commanding General Ihtelligence (T-2) 3 Incls: 1. Dravting ] 2. RAE Tech Note, AERO 170~ 3. T-2 Rpt, No. F-SU-1110-HD u

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, "ORM NO. MR• l (2) 30 Oct 47 INDE X : 000,9 Fl3'iJlg Saucer - Hlena::iena TO : CSGIJ>, jll PlamJ and Collecticm Bra ch... FROM : Chief~ Air Intoll~ Roqdr01nents Division, AC/S-2 Sl,IMMARY : lnt&Uigenaa Requirements on Flying Sauaer 'l'ypG Ail'craft .. D/F Fl LED: 350.09 Intelligence INDEXER: -C REMARKS : I HEADQ UART ERS ARMY AI R FO RCES CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM

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---- Wrtn 22 Oct 1947 Lt Col Garrett/d l /4544 AFBIR - C0-5 AFi.lIR-CO•S Hq., USAF. :iashing t on 25 , D. O. IS Toa Corr.:no.ndint General, •1r f&~eriel Co':Ul!And, ( Attentions • T•2) 1. A repreaentotive ot· thia headquarter• has oontaetod Lt. Colonel r.erb8rt C. Gee oonoernin£ Uro. Morohant'e theor1 on the £lyin~ diao,, ~• expresaed to Generol Ere~tnall. .::;<e . . \. ' ' 2. It is reo o:unended tho. t no aotion bo taken to intel"rog•t• ·•ra. l!arch!t.n~ ond that thia oaH be cloted . .. /Inol1 - n/o DOUGr.ASS W, 'EISEMAN Lt. Col one l, A;±r Coap;; US. AF ~eo\..t.i v 'i , r u-.e • ~ :qui r ements Division Ott1oe ot Ass 't Chier of~ Staft-2 ffCS~,;p . i 8 OC,1947 4!.A- UIL ~ . p 94646 I OFFICE SYM60L 1 SIONA TUBE 01' REsroN smu~ O•lrlC£1l l1'Tl!RNA-L OFFICE COORDU<ATION 3 4 65 ~-

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Hee.dquartere 'AIR :iATER IEL C~D TSNAD-2B/\CL/a.'llc ,1right Field, Dayton, Ohio 13 Oct 1947 SUBJECT: ''Flying Di sea" TO: Chief of St~ff United States Air ~orce ~ash ircton 25, D, c, ATn1 : AC/AS-2 Lt Col George Garrett 1, !ttached copies of communications are self-explanatory end indicate action taven to obtain additional information regarding subject. Assistance shown from Lt Col Herbert c. Gee was with reference to the social standing and character of t'rs. tJerchant to determine justification for further investigation of her theo ries . 2 . In view of Lt Col Gee' s transfer to ,fashington, D. c . ., it is suggested that a representative from Headouarters , AC/aS- 2 con tact and interview him. 3 . General Brentnall stated that Mrs . Merchant was extr emely talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting a personal enterprise inste~d of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem . 4, Co, nents and sugt:;estions, therefore, regardin 6 further action to interrogate 1!rs . Merc~ant would be appreciated in order to close this case as soon as possible. FOR T£IB co~~ff~DING GENER.AL: • /s/ " . R. Clingernan, Col., A. C. for 2 Incls H. r.~. 1rcDOY 1. Cy 11 C, T-2 .i..tr, 9/29/47 , Col onel, :ir Corps "Flyinr; Discs'' Deputy CoMmanding CTeneral 2. Cy 1st Ind , 10/2/47, fr Intellirence (r-2) Fq. Kirtland Field, lbuquerque, New~exico C 0 p y

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.. C 0 p y 29 September 1947 13 Oct 1947 SUBJECT: ''r lyin ~ Discs" TO: Co'Tl.~andinc Officer Operating Location No. 16 of 731st A.~FBU {101st A.Ji.CS Sq) l(irtland li'ield Albuquerque, New Mexico ATTN: C,ol. Howard .G. Bunker 1. General "Rrentno.11, duri~t, n recent visit nt Las Vesas, wa.s cortacted b~ a J.: rs. ·adeline Gwynne Kerchant, 3ante E'o, :rei:r liexico, w:no described 1rhat !!lay be termed .,_ novel theory concerninc "Flyin._. tiscs". 2 . .,.ccording to her thoery, "Fl~·inE, ,.,iscs'' are being f'irod fro~ a locality in Centrrl Mexico fro~ a laboratory which is being operFted by the ttus~inns. She clqims thQy ure beiPg ~i~cd at the Fnited stctes for the purpose of sight ing in on importo.nt atomic energy and aircraft iostallations. 3. General Brentnall states thnt he does not have any further interest in o.n interrot;a.tion of !!rs. JJerchant since ,it is not a.n engineerinc matter. Fowover • he recommends thl'lt if H:;t, nir Mo.teriel Co•:uno.nd, 1'-2, wi:ihes to sponsor an interrot;&.tion of this r.etura thot Col. Ho,:e.rd Bunkor sho•..1ld be cor.tacted to determine the name o.nJ e.ddress of the colo::1el at Las Vegv s v,ho has knov;ledge of this case. In view of Gencrcl Brentnall ' s suggestion, no direct con tact will be '!lade with l'rs. llerchant. 4. It is requested, therefore, tr~t the r ne and address of the ~povo mer.tioned colonel be ~ade available tc this office as soon o.s possible so that f'urther action, as deemed advjsable, can be to.ken . F, R 1'FJ.; CO' 'ANDING GENAA~.L: /s/ }.~ . E. Goll tr. ;,r . l'cCOY Colonel, Jir Corps ' ueput;y Commandine Genernl In~elligence (T·2} C 0 p y

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B/L fr 'Iqs 1 .JtMC, ~.right Fiold. , Dayton, Ohio, File ':.'Si'AD-2B, 29 Sep 47 , Subj : ''Flying Dices" lat Ind HGll : ns i]"EAD~UARTERS, Kirtland. Field, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 2 October 1947 TO: Co!lUllandini; 0enera.l, :1.ir •!ntericl Command, lr.ight lisld, Ohio ATTErTic~i : T-2 1. The o~ficer. referred to in Par. 3 is Lt . Col~ Horbert C. Gee, 0-19717, who v,as f'ornerly ComMD.ndine; O!'.!'icer at Los .~lamos rather than Las Vegas, as stated. Lt. Col. Gee is now stationed in the office, Chiai' of' ngineers, .::ivil 11orks Division, ,ashir- 6ton, I) , C. 2 . There is no repl~cement for Lt. Col . Gee at Los llanos ruid no ir.fcrmation is available to indicate that any individual in this vicinit,/ has ~ore information concerning wra. Merchant ' s theory than Brig. Gen . Brentnall of N'C vrho personally conducted an interview with her . H0,7A,.1D G. -aUNKEI{ Col onel , C •

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·- O: TO: DATE: TO: TO: DATE: DATE: OTHER ACTION: HQ AAF 1 SUSPENSE DATE: NO.: 234015 F ILE DESIGNATION AND DATE: • P 94846TYPE, Ltr. SMRY: "i"l yine Disce" .,; 2 Inc ls. / $~

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'l I AF'.BIP-CO/Lt Col Grurett/df/4544 6 Oct 46 /o/~I/-,,/ /I/ Basi c: L tr fr Hq, AMC, Wrigh t ?.Ld, Dayton , O. 24 Sept 47 , Subj : "Fly ing Saucer s" ~ .t1 : Cyo 0£ l nol uren i n k-2 "iloo C P 94380 1,t 1 .Di~ nt ot the Air Jore . llq_, m 7 "-.ht lf01 n • Atr ' terlel Co .:m.11. V-.rtBJi ATTU: TSNAD-2B tt chtd h r t.o t.1 lntor-.tton r I AIR JORO a DOUGLASS w. EIS.. !L'i ...t. Colonel , AiP Ct,l~ JJ/r P ·~ daut.iv e •..Hr lntel • Re·,ui~emeuts DivJ.11lo OFFICE SYMBOL GRADE .AND SURNAME OF COORDINATING OFFICERS I. aylor :ru=; ------ Lilil~~~lf'ulga Lt Col G US.A

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C 0 p y Hr.JJ>Q.UARTERS AIR MATERISL CO t.!AND . ~SNJJJ-2b/JC L/ePC Wright Fl~ ,D 7ton,O. 24 Sept 47 TSNAD-2l3 "ilying Sauoora 11 Oolll!:Wldilll; General, Arrt/f Air J'oro: W::gt: ...26, o.c• ~J A!l!rll1 A~/ AS• 2, Lt Col Garrott /I (I P" I 'j ,, {,f-,,,1 101 It ie rcq_ueat'=d t13t thio office 'be furmat cl w./4t.1):>le info rmation conce1 ning an alleged 11 Fly1ng Saucer" t'Ught si ghting ) mde by a radar otation in /apan. Thio incident ~ao mentioned 'by ( Dr. Chr..Tloo Carroll during e conference in Br16 Gan Schu1gen•• office attended by ~1r.. APC. 1oedd1nc. T- 2 representative, ol1 5 So_p_!;ecb r 1947 . l'OR Tll C0}1 ANDINO GIW ~Lt / a/ M.E.Goll /t/ H.ll . McCOT Colonel , Air Corpe Doputy Commnding Oencrnl Intelligence T- Z

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L AFEI . C /LtCol.Garrett/rm/4.54'-i 8 ...~1Jt 47 1 SEP WCJE-c'l'~ Reported Siditinge ot Fl.fin8 Disco. ro , Co!rrnonding Gonoral A1r llator1ol. Cotimand lb'1gbt Fiolda Dayton, Ohio Attcnt.ion: 'l'-.2. • l . lte orronac4 verb~ '11th Ur. Loectdina, inolonad 1D tho ccr.ploto tile ma1ntn1nod by thie Otti~o on roport,od aightingo ot fl..Vin3 Diocr; • 2. 'l'hio f1lo .io forward d no that pllot.ostate .cay be mad.a 1n order to proV1de ~cur Comoo.nd with a duplicate not of these oiah't.inno• 3. \1hon p}1otostat1ng thio mo.teM.oJ. for your purpooo, it will be Qpprociatod 1t ono extra cot 1o 1:u1.ei• tor th1a O!tico and roturnod o.t the GOOP tic tbe orlginalo nre rcturnod . 4. Thin file, end tho duplicatco, should bo rot.umod as econ s poooibl to t:hia Hoadquartero, Attention, AC/A,.,-2~ Air lntoll1ccnc• ltC)qu.irOlilonto Divioion, Collection llranch. BX CliWAilD CF Glln.JW. SPAATZ& ,. • P 93805 AU ii~ 1 : SEP194l nv noum.. .,) ' . F. •s·21rum Lt Colonel.. Air Curi: s Ex;cutive. Air Iutol. Requirement!! Divis1ou Office of Ass't. Chief of Air Staff•2 OFFICE SYMBOL 3. 4. 5. GRADE AND SURNAME OF COORDINATING OFFICERS r. l. Tay~ ~~g ------- ---- 11--- ---, ➔-tt~":,fti~~1--- ------- ------- ---•. rrett

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µ .RQ.-J3 (20 MAY 44 ) RESTRICTED HEADQUARTER S A RMY AIR FORCES ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET TALLY NO. FILE NO. Flying Saucer Phenomena ·I ro , Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development DATE 22 August 1947 COMMENT No. --"1,---....,.... FROM: AC/AS-2, Air Intelli gence Requirements Division Lt Col Garrett/nc/4544 Collection Branch 1. From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers, selected for their veracity and reliability, it is appar ent that several aspects of their appearance have a common patterne 2 . Before pursuing its investi gation of these objects any further, this Office r eques ts assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at presen t being t-flown, has the foll owing characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed • recent flyin g saucer 11 .ll\Ystery11 is not of United States origin: a. Surface is metallic - indicatin g a metalli c skin, at least. b. When a trail is observed, it is a lightly col ored blue-brown haze, similar to a rocket engine's exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observat i on indicates that the fuel may be thrott l ed, which would indicate a liquid rocket engine. c. As to shape, all ob@ervationo @tate that the object i a circular, or at least ellipticai, r i at on the bottom and s11ght1y domed on the top. d . Size estimates pl ace it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation as they would appear while flying at 10,000•. e. Some repor ts des cribe t wo tabs located at the rear and symmet rical about • a,d.s of flight motions f . Flights have been r eported containing f rom thr ee t o nine objects, flying good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots. g. The discs oscillate laterally while flyin g along, which could be snaking. ~~Q~-s~ ROBERT TAYLO!i 3RD Colonel, Air Corps Chief, Collec t ion Branch Air Intelli gence Requirements Division AC/ AS-2 RESTRICTED J•ll e,f . 1-F ( • t t 20 IIA V 44 } PAGE_

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FORM NO. MR·1 (•) D ATE: 5 Aug 47 IN DEX : 000 . 9 Phenomena TO: Chief, Intelligence Group, Intell.' L ence Division , \':ar Dept Gen Staff FROM: Executive , Air Intel, Requirements Div:i sion, AC/1.S- 2 SUMMARY: Request for F. B. I. Investj gation on Background of Cert t.in \'1itnesses to ''Flying Discs 11 • Memo 333~5 InvestigstionFILED: ejbI NDEXER : REMARKS: H EADQ UARTERS ARMY Al R FORCES ~ORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM

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RESTRICTED HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET TALLY NO. FILE NO. SUBJECT : Flying Saucer Phenomena Air Intelligence Requirezrents Division, AC/.AS- 2 DATE AUG 2 9 1947Attn : Collection Branch COMMENT No. -----'2.c.__ FROM: Deputy Chief of Air staff for Resear ch & Developroont fr R~ mo/73/421 • ~ ~ The Arrrry Air Forces has no research II' oject viith the characteristics described in Comm3nt No. 1. cAw.RENCE: ~ I~ E•." i,~i,ij,y (J_,J ~ Maj or G eneral, U. S. Ar myAFDRE C p/J,,.. -1--t .(/ Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research and Devel opment JiFD.'fZ-2~ AFD..11E- 3-"~H,1,¥f-'-'---~=-;.-.;- ··- - - - - AFDRE- 4 G,/4,Z.... ~,,- • 1•11 09 . AP (RE Y 20 MAY 44 ) RtSiffitrto

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